On Thu, Sep 5, 2024 at 9:49 AM Barry <ba...@barrys-emacs.org> wrote:
>
> > On 5 Sep 2024, at 12:15, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe there is an ongoing discussion about how pip should be more
> > integrated with packaging systems to avoid this kind of confusion.
>
> Not sure what you are referring to, all discussion are long over.
>
> The current state is that you MUST use a venv for all pip installed packages.
> That is the accepted solution.

For sites under my control, pip is banned. Developers are free to
install a package via dnf, or build the package from source against
the distro sources. In either case, there are no problems
traditionally caused by pip and its inability to manage python
packages.

We banned pip years ago after pip made a mess of one of our web
servers, and the pip developers told us we were on our own to fix it.

> Also pip was changed to prevent you installing outside a venv without 
> explicit command option to override.

Jeff
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