> On 5 Sep 2024, at 12:15, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe there is an ongoing discussion about how pip should be more
> integrated with packaging systems to avoid this kind of confusion.

Not sure what you are referring to, all discussion are long over.

The current state is that you MUST use a venv for all pip installed packages.
That is the accepted solution.

Also pip was changed to prevent you installing outside a venv without explicit 
command option to override.

Barry


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