On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 17:26, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote:
> > On 2/9/21 12:59 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: > > Well I start to add new room option for 'suffix' > But find out I'm not sure how should it work > > 1) It is impossible to delete recordings from Moodle plugin > > Currently it is possible, is it going to be 'impossible' ? > how? > 2) It seems filtering will also be useless due to 'suffix' will be in > effect _AFTER_ save, and not before > > The suffix should be defined in the activity creation (input text box) > form, so when the activity is created, the teacher will get something like > 'moodle-ENG101' if the suffix is defined as '-ENG101' and module is > 'moodle' by default. And in turn, a new group should be created in OM > database called 'moodle-ENG101'. > > And when the teacher finishes his lesson recording, he rename it, > > and move it to the 'moodle-ENG101' group recordings that is shown in his > files tree > this step seems to be redundant > , so that when he wants to created 'recording only' activity, he can > select: > > 1. The group name that belongs to him, then > > 2. The recording of that specific group. > this is part that will not work :( when the teacher will create new activity all recordings for the mail group will be selected (due to at the moment of creation all fields of activity are empty ....) > :-) > > > sounds like I don't understand the use case :( > > On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 14:25, Maxim Solodovnik <solomax...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 22:48, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> >> wrote: >> >>> The main issues we face: >>> >>> 1. All teachers share the same repository of recordings which makes >>> mistakes of deleting the recording very common :-( >>> >>> 2. When using 'show recording' all recordings will be on the list, can >>> you imagine how many 'Chapter 1 - introduction' recording would be on the >>> list ??? almost all teachers name their first lesson that. >>> >> >> these 2 will be addressed with new Moodle room option >> >> >>> 3. And still in the plugin activity downloading the recording is done in >>> an internal name, not as named by the teacher. >>> >> >> this need to be investigated >> >> >>> Ali >>> >>> >>> On 12/30/20 5:51 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote: >>> >>> Yes, moodle database is not UTF8 by default, but we usually change it. >>> And, yes, it has the same name, however, one more thing, it was two word >>> group name separated by space 'النُّجُومُ الخَمْسَةِ'. if single Arabic >>> word without space is used then show recording' will work as expected. >>> >>> Ali >>> On 12/30/20 5:09 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 at 18:34, Ali Alhaidary <ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It seems that 'show recordings' did not work was not because 'Module >>>> key' was not 'moodle', but because 'Module key' was an Arabic name, >>>> >>> Aha! >>> this makes sense >>> Moodle database is not UTF8 by default >>> can you check in the logs (and in OM) >>> Does the group created in OM has the same name as "Module key"? >>> >>>> when we changed it to English name, it did work ... >>>> >>>> Ali >>>> On 12/30/20 12:54 PM, Ali Alhaidary wrote: >>>> >>>> Than you @Max, see my response embedded ... >>>> >>>> Ali >>>> On 12/30/20 12:24 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 13:45, Ali Alhaidary < >>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/23/20 9:22 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ali, >>>>> >>>>> thirst of all we need to agree on definitions :) >>>>> >>>>> OM instance for me is "configured OM server" >>>>> What do you mean by this? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, thirst, but for new and enhanced features :-) >>>>> >>>> >>>> I mean "first", sorry for the typo :( >>>> >>>> That is OK :-) >>>> >>>> OM instance is the activity created in one class and not the plugin (OM >>>>> plugin), so let re-write: >>>>> >>>>> moving 'Module key' from OM plugin config to the config of OM activity >>>>> created in one class. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Moving "Module-key" is not an option >>>> It also serves for security purposes i.e. to make >>>> rooms/users/recordings of one connected plugin to be inaccessible for >>>> another plugin >>>> What I can propose is to add "suffix" i.e. teacher/admin can create OM >>>> activity and specify "Group" in additional field (empty by default) >>>> In such case module key will be `plugin key` concatenated with `group` >>>> Would it be OK? >>>> >>>> Currently, 'Module key' will create a group in OM server called >>>> 'moodle', and, unless it is 'moodle' the usage of OM activity (instance) as >>>> 'show recordings' will not work ! all other functions are OK, even >>>> recording, sharing .... and if we put anything else other than 'moodle', >>>> the plugin will create that group, but 'show recordings' will not show any >>>> recordings. >>>> >>>> So, as per your idea (which is very good and practical) 'Module key' >>>> will keep being 'moodle' in OM plugin configuration, however, when creating >>>> an activity (instance), the teacher will have an extra field to fill >>>> (Group), lets assume it will be as course name, how it will reflect in room >>>> tree of recordings? currently we move recordings (after renaming them) to >>>> 'Group recordings' with the name 'moodle' so that 'show recordings' can be >>>> used. Can you please share your good thoughts :-) >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 23 Dec 2020 at 08:02, Ali Alhaidary < >>>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I assumed so, but it did not. Although we have tens of recordings in >>>>>> private, group and public in so many OM instances, the list always shows >>>>>> 'no recordings'. >>>>>> >>>>> Only recordings made by user entered from Moodle plugin with same key >>>>> will be listed >>>>> >>>>> all those public, private etc. will not be listed >>>>> >>>>> True, but only for the creator in 'my' and for group members in >>>>> 'group' when in the room of type 'conference' but non in the 'Show >>>>> recordings' unless Module key is moodle ! >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't understand this comment :( >>>> I just have tested: recordings works as expected: >>>> >>>> My steps: >>>> >>>> 1. add Activity >>>> 2. choose OM >>>> 3. fill `Room name` >>>> 4. select `Show Recording (select recording from drop down to be >>>> shown instead of meeting)` as `Room type` >>>> 5. select recording >>>> 6. save and display >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Keeping in mind that: >>>>>> >>>>>> - OM Data folder in out of OM installation folder, >>>>>> >>>>> it doesn't matter >>>>> >>>>>> - Module key is not 'moodle' >>>>>> >>>>> it doesn't matter >>>>> >>>>>> - OM server is not on moodle server. >>>>>> >>>>> it doesn't matter >>>>> >>>>>> Ali >>>>>> On 12/22/20 7:34 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> something like >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) you create Moodle room as usual >>>>>> 2) do recording >>>>>> 3) then create new OM activity with type "Recording" >>>>>> 4) select recording you made on step 2) >>>>>> 5) save >>>>>> Result: your users will see OM recordings panel with this particular >>>>>> recording and can watch it :) >>>>>> >>>>>> sort of "share recording" to Moodle users :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 21 Dec 2020 at 20:19, Ali Alhaidary < >>>>>> ali.alhaid...@the5stars.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> How to use room type 'Show Recording' ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Maxim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Maxim >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Maxim >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Maxim >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Maxim >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Maxim > > -- Best regards, Maxim
