Hi Tim:
I fully understand your point of view and the constraints we all labor
under. Whether the old theme sucks or not is not in question here.
First question I have for you is what "guidelines" are you referring to?
Secondly, why should a new user have to change a theme in order to use
OFBiz applications. If, as you say its easy to change a theme, then it
should be incumbent on the knowledgeable experienced OFBiz user to
change themes and not the new user. New users have enough on their plate
just learning how the applications work.
Thirdly, please don't throw around "its easy" to do something without
siting references. You insult my intelligence and every other reader on
this list by implying that anything concerning recent releases of OFBiz
is "easy".
Regards,
Ruth
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Tim Ruppert wrote:
We are all working within the constraints of _not_ redesigning the
entire set of backend applications - which is really what needs to be
done. The old theme sucks visually - has no spice, doesn't fit today's
look and feel guidelines AT ALL, looks really old - so I'd say from
someone who does this day in and day out - you're WAY off when it
comes to the way that people react to it (be clear, this does not talk
to using it on a day to day basis). We've been very successful in
building themes off of Bizzness Time - please are reacting in a really
positive way.
There is nothing other than a visual change on the BizznessTime
theme. There are no other extra widgets or the like. it's just a
reorganization of the data that's there to help give it a facelift.
I'm not talking to users - I'm talking to you and everyone else who
has issues with it. Fix it ... or go back to the old theme in your
own setup - don't doom the rest of us to have to go apply first
impressions with that really lame setup.
As for the documentation - I'm not sure - checkout Confluence - we
just dug in and tried to bring the backend apps out of the early 2000s
instead of letting it sit stagnant.
Cheers,
Ruppert
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On Oct 13, 2009, at 7:10 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hello Tim:
If this a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz, then IMO, we are
way off the mark. The backend applications where the BiznessTime
theme has been applied are designed for end-users who may not and
probably do not have any experience with HTML or CSS. Lets not forget
who our audience is here.
If the foundation, as you say is so solid (and I have not doubt that
it is), then reverting back to a simpler yet more accessible theme
should be the way to go. Fancier is not always better.
On another note, could you point me to the end-user documentation
covering creating new themes. I'd be happy to try this out and post
my findings.
Regards,
Ruth
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Tim Ruppert wrote:
We exclusively use the BizznessTime theme with clients because it's
WAY easier to change, skin and adapt to everyone's liking / look and
feel. I think it would be a huge mistake to roll it back to the
Flat Grey as we have not had any of the same problems once everyone
gets over the initial shock of seeing something different.
If the community wants to roll it back - then go for it - but it
isn't wise. FIX the problems that you don't like in the
BizznessTime theme, or create one of your own - it's easy to do -
this is a much more solid foundation to build on then the old (and
looking really old) theme that's been in there since the beginning.
Have any of you tried to edit the CSS to make any changes that might
not make it so "large"? It should be pretty easy with this setup.
Anyways, think on it and do what you will do, but remember this is
still a tool for convincing people to use OFBiz. I'd leave this in
place and change it to the ugly, ugly in your own installations
before I wanted to go back to Flay Grey as a sales tool ....
Cheers,
Ruppert
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On Oct 13, 2009, at 3:40 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hi Hans,
So far,
* it seems that most people find things too large and prefer to
zoom out.
* it seems also that not much specific bugs were reported, and
those reported should be easily fixed (not quite sure though...)
I repeat myself about where to report about this subject : create a
subtask at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2398
In his 1st reply Chris Snow suggested a change. But I'm not sure
it's enough for doing the same thing as a zoom out
Maybe we could ask Ryan Foster if it's possble to shrink the size
(of everything ) else we may vote for the "return of Flat Grey" as
default
theme.
What do you people think ?
Jacques
PS : Hans I saw you opened a subtask for the field size issue, thanks!
From: "Hans Bakker" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sure the Business theme looks good but.....
The general problem is that the characters, fields and actually
everything is far too big....If i specify a field to be 2
characters, at
least 5 fit in....
So set the default to flat_gray in general properties is perhaps
better.
Regards,
Hans
On Mon, 2009-10-12 at 16:19 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hi,
I'd like to know what the community thinks about Bizness Time as
default theme.
Do you use it?
Do you change for another theme ?
Which one fo you prefer?
Did you find bugs in one of the theme but not another?
Thanks
Jacques
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