On 2025-01-21 16:19, Robie Basak wrote: [...] > Because of the fragmentation concern, I think it's important that we > make a single, unified decision for all Ubuntu developers. Let's have a > discussion period first, then ask the Technical Board to weigh the > discussion and make that decision.
Fragmented communication has already been a very tangible issue for the release team, with some communication happening on IRC and some communication happening on Matrix, with developers relaying information. > # What moving *means* > > "Official" communication, such as making requests of privileged Ubuntu > developer teams, could be expected to be actioned if requested on the > agreed platform only. Similarly, you can consider your social > responsibility to other developers in relation to your work in Ubuntu > development to be fulfilled if you are present on that platform[4]. And > Canonical will follow in its requirement for its employed Ubuntu > developers to be present on that agreed platform during their working > hours. > > I'm specifically referring to #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release to lead > the pack. I suppose other miscellaneous Ubuntu development related > channels could move at their own pace. Or are there any other specific > channels that should move at the same time? As noted by Simon already, the flavors already effectively moved to Matrix (#ubuntu-flavors -> #flavors:ubuntu.com). There is an #ubuntu-quality IRC channel that I would like to see merged into #devel:ubuntu.com. [...] > I think there are (at least) three groups whose needs we should think > about: > > 1) Ubuntu developers who work for Canonical. We use Mattermost > internally. We're used to the rich communications that it provides, such > as threading, sync between multiple devices, Markdown formatting, > integrated history and the ability to bring others into a conversation > with history available to them. It's a tough sell to ask new Canonical > employees to downgrade to IRC if they want to talk about Ubuntu > development[5]. It's too easy to try and contact others about Ubuntu > developers internally on Mattermost since many active Ubuntu developers > are at Canonical. As a result, conversations that should be happening in > public happen on private Mattermost all too often. People seem to have > largely given up on pushing conversations to IRC. I think a richer > alternative will help with this, and not moving away from IRC is > thereful harmful. > > 2) New contributors. We always encourage more! What's going to be > easiest for them to use: IRC or Matrix? What's the sort of interface and > usability they expect, and to what extent are they provided? Again, I > think we've reached the point that we're harming the project's future by > losing potential participants by staying where we are. > > 3) People who have been using IRC for many years. Of course you're used > to what you do, and change is disruptive. There is certain to be > functionality that isn't at parity on Matrix. But I think we must > consider that the vast majority of potential participants aren't going > to notice. The proportion of the future project who care about this is > growing increasingly small, and therefore I again think that on balance > the harm in not moving outweighs this consideration. > > My opinion is therefore that for the first two groups, times have > changed to the point now that we're actually harming the project by not > moving, while the third group continues to diminish. Therefore we should > move. I agree with the analysis and strongly support your proposal. > # Collapsing #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-release into one Given that #devel:ubuntu.com and #release:ubuntu.com already exist, I would keep this initiative separate. Thanks! Paride -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
