On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 09:08 -0400, Danny Piccirillo wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:02, Scott Kitterman <ubu...@kitterman.com> > wrote: > Top posting fixed. Ugh. > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 08:40, Scott Kitterman > <ubu...@kitterman.com> > > wrote: > > > >> First, apologies for the off topic cross-posting to many > lists, but it > >> was > >> really hard for me to tell which one to drop. > >> > >> > In recognition of the value of FOSS gaming, the Ubuntu > Gaming Team has > >> > been > >> > formed of mutual benefit to Ubuntu and FOSS gaming. As of > today, the > >> team > >> > is > >> > now open for anyone to join and participate in. Working > towards > >> improving > >> > FOSS games and developing its community will turn a > significant > >> barrier > >> > against Ubuntu adoption into an appealing reason to > switch. > >> > > >> > The Ubuntu Gaming Team will work to address the obstacles > hindering > >> growth > >> > in FOSS gaming such as the need for effective distributed > content > >> > management > >> > or significant investment in free content development in > order to > >> promote > >> > FOSS gaming through Ubuntu and Ubuntu through FOSS > gaming. New ideas > >> are > >> > encouraged and appreciated. > >> > >> I appreciate the enthusiasm, but with your choice of names > is going to > >> cause problems. First, while an effort like you are > describing might > >> benefit Ubuntu, it is not about doing anything within > Ubuntu (the > >> distro), > >> it seems to be about trying to leverage the Ubuntu > community towards a > >> goal. > >> > >> As it happens, Ubuntu (the distro) already has a team that > works with > >> Debian on packaging FOSS games for Debian and Ubuntu. This > team is the > >> Debian Games team. Based on the first reply to your > message, you've > >> already created a point of confusion. Ubuntu (the distro) > doesn't need > >> a > >> team to cooperate with the Debian games team as it is > already a joint > >> Debian/Ubuntu team (this isn't the only case of this - > another example > >> is > >> the pkg-clamav team that works on packaging clamav and > related > >> packages). > >> > >> I would encourage you to reconsider your choice of names > and select one > >> that isn't going to cause confusion. > >> > >> > FOSS gaming is important to Ubuntu as a lack of quality > games is one > >> of > >> > the > >> > most cited reasons preventing users from switching from > Windows. > >> Gamers, > >> > who > >> > currently feed off of the proprietary software model, > represent a > >> large > >> > and > >> > valuable user base. They will not even begin to gradually > migrate to > >> > Ubuntu > >> > until their needs are met. They are very capable of > understanding the > >> > ideological and technical benefits of using a free > operating system > >> like > >> > Ubuntu, and are often interested in switching, but higher > value is > >> placed > >> > on > >> > high quality gaming and the entire demographic will not > budge until > >> the > >> > pragmatic advantages of open source actualize through > FOSS gaming. > >> > > >> > The team is dedicated to FOSS gaming, and will not push > for commercial > >> > games > >> > on Linux as significant effort is already put into the > development of > >> > Wine > >> > and pressuring video game publishers to port their work > to Linux. Once > >> > FOSS > >> > gaming reaches its "tipping point", code and content will > be easily > >> reused > >> > to foster the development of new games and innovative > ideas in gaming. > >> The > >> > Ubuntu Gaming Team fills a great need for an organized > effort to > >> support > >> > FOSS gaming. > >> > > > http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/04/announcing-ubuntu-gaming-team.html > >> > >> I think you are using the name Ubuntu here is a way that is > really > >> confusing. This isn't about Ubuntu gaming, it's about FOSS > game > >> development. > >> > >> > Launchpad: > > >> > > https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gaming<https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-gaming> > >> > Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam > >> > #ubuntu-gaming < > >> http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=ubuntu-gaming> > >> > >> > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list > >> > >> Finally, you sent this to an Ubuntu development list. This > list is to > >> discuss development of Ubuntu. Your announcement seems to > be at most > >> about development ON Ubuntu, not development OF Ubuntu. I > think it's > >> off > >> topic. > >> > >> I would encourage you to consider your goal and brand your > team more > >> appropriately to that goal. > > > > Could a solution be to simply link to Debian/Ubuntu games > team for > > packaging? It may have caused a tiny bit of confusion with > the > > announcement, > > but i really don't foresee any other confusion. If it > becomes a problem > > then > > it'll definitely be worth changing, but i don't think it > will be. > > > It already is a problem. I think this team is woefully > misnamed. > > The Debian games team is not the packaging subsidiary of your > team. > > As I said, I think you chose very poorly in your approach to > naming this > team. There is nothing Ubuntu specific about it. > > Scott K > > Alright, i'll bottom-post for you =] > > It's already a problem? Really? The problem i think you're trying to > say is simply confusing the packaging team with this team. Firstly, i > don't see how people would be so confused. If a person is looking for > the packaging team, i am sure they will find it. If i add a link from > the gaming team page to the packaging team, i am in no way saying that > their team works under ours. If anything, it could direct more people > to the packaging team who otherwise would never have found it. What > chaos will arise from keeping the name, "Ubuntu Gaming Team"?
Add a note at the bottom of the description saying there is no direct affiliation and a link to the Debian team would be good enough IMHO. I agree that this could push people to the Debian team over time and have more people work with them. I would not do as some and jump on the created team on day one, but let it evolve for a while and see where it settles in the grand scheme of things. Adjustments if need can be made then. Regards Phil
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