Top posting fixed. Ugh. > On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 08:40, Scott Kitterman <ubu...@kitterman.com> > wrote: > >> First, apologies for the off topic cross-posting to many lists, but it >> was >> really hard for me to tell which one to drop. >> >> > In recognition of the value of FOSS gaming, the Ubuntu Gaming Team has >> > been >> > formed of mutual benefit to Ubuntu and FOSS gaming. As of today, the >> team >> > is >> > now open for anyone to join and participate in. Working towards >> improving >> > FOSS games and developing its community will turn a significant >> barrier >> > against Ubuntu adoption into an appealing reason to switch. >> > >> > The Ubuntu Gaming Team will work to address the obstacles hindering >> growth >> > in FOSS gaming such as the need for effective distributed content >> > management >> > or significant investment in free content development in order to >> promote >> > FOSS gaming through Ubuntu and Ubuntu through FOSS gaming. New ideas >> are >> > encouraged and appreciated. >> >> I appreciate the enthusiasm, but with your choice of names is going to >> cause problems. First, while an effort like you are describing might >> benefit Ubuntu, it is not about doing anything within Ubuntu (the >> distro), >> it seems to be about trying to leverage the Ubuntu community towards a >> goal. >> >> As it happens, Ubuntu (the distro) already has a team that works with >> Debian on packaging FOSS games for Debian and Ubuntu. This team is the >> Debian Games team. Based on the first reply to your message, you've >> already created a point of confusion. Ubuntu (the distro) doesn't need >> a >> team to cooperate with the Debian games team as it is already a joint >> Debian/Ubuntu team (this isn't the only case of this - another example >> is >> the pkg-clamav team that works on packaging clamav and related >> packages). >> >> I would encourage you to reconsider your choice of names and select one >> that isn't going to cause confusion. >> >> > FOSS gaming is important to Ubuntu as a lack of quality games is one >> of >> > the >> > most cited reasons preventing users from switching from Windows. >> Gamers, >> > who >> > currently feed off of the proprietary software model, represent a >> large >> > and >> > valuable user base. They will not even begin to gradually migrate to >> > Ubuntu >> > until their needs are met. They are very capable of understanding the >> > ideological and technical benefits of using a free operating system >> like >> > Ubuntu, and are often interested in switching, but higher value is >> placed >> > on >> > high quality gaming and the entire demographic will not budge until >> the >> > pragmatic advantages of open source actualize through FOSS gaming. >> > >> > The team is dedicated to FOSS gaming, and will not push for commercial >> > games >> > on Linux as significant effort is already put into the development of >> > Wine >> > and pressuring video game publishers to port their work to Linux. Once >> > FOSS >> > gaming reaches its "tipping point", code and content will be easily >> reused >> > to foster the development of new games and innovative ideas in gaming. >> The >> > Ubuntu Gaming Team fills a great need for an organized effort to >> support >> > FOSS gaming. >> > http://pinstack.blogspot.com/2009/04/announcing-ubuntu-gaming-team.html >> >> I think you are using the name Ubuntu here is a way that is really >> confusing. This isn't about Ubuntu gaming, it's about FOSS game >> development. >> >> > Launchpad: >> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gaming<https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-gaming> >> > Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GamingTeam >> > #ubuntu-gaming < >> http://java.freenode.net//index.php?channel=ubuntu-gaming> >> >> > Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list >> >> Finally, you sent this to an Ubuntu development list. This list is to >> discuss development of Ubuntu. Your announcement seems to be at most >> about development ON Ubuntu, not development OF Ubuntu. I think it's >> off >> topic. >> >> I would encourage you to consider your goal and brand your team more >> appropriately to that goal.
> Could a solution be to simply link to Debian/Ubuntu games team for > packaging? It may have caused a tiny bit of confusion with the > announcement, > but i really don't foresee any other confusion. If it becomes a problem > then > it'll definitely be worth changing, but i don't think it will be. It already is a problem. I think this team is woefully misnamed. The Debian games team is not the packaging subsidiary of your team. As I said, I think you chose very poorly in your approach to naming this team. There is nothing Ubuntu specific about it. Scott K -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
