on 1/15/01 8:16 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The history is what is important here. The fact of the matter is that if Sun
>> had not donated Tomcat 3.x, we would already be using a much more complete
>> Catalina as Craig had already started work on it and was pulled off from
>
> Well, check the jserv archives and let us know how many people contributed
> to Jserv2.0 ? Or look at the jserv history - and count the contributions
> other than Craig's.
Right, that is because the history also shows that JServ 2.0 was a
revolution and that the rest of us were still working on JServ 1.x. However,
if you also read the archives, you will see that everyone supported what
Craig was working on and that we would have moved to it.
The point being that when Sun came along with Tomcat, we waited and waited
and waited (10 months) for it to be given to us. Craig halted development on
what he was doing anticipating the Tomcat 3.x codebase to be at least
halfway decent. Then he looked at it and found it to be...umm...lacking. I
remember how pissed off he was that he hadn't just gone and done his own
work. I was pretty pissed as well as we could have been way ahead of Tomcat
3.x if we hadn't had sat on our asses listening to Sun's promises...
Thank god for JavaOne. That seems to be the only way to get Sun to actually
commit to anything (as also evidenced by the XML Project creation).
> Or check the long debates where you and Craig were arguing about how
> "standalone " is better and embeded containers don't matter.
I still agree with that. In fact, the feature requests that have come
through today by the users even stated that they would only be using it by
connecting to Tomcat. So, what is your point here?
>> working on it in order to support 3.x development. The fact that Catalina is
>> as far along as it is today is a testament to how amazing Craig is with
>> regards to the amount of really quality code he can write.
>
> Yes, but as you pointed out working in a community and with other's code
> is more important.
Right. You refused to do that. Instead you felt that you would go your own
route with Tomcat 3.x even though the direction of the project was voted to
go with 4.x. Oh wait, I repeated that (again)...
-jon
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