On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jon Stevens wrote:
> on 1/15/01 3:09 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Of course, what you don't like is either "not proposed or agreed" or "not
> > justified " ( the -1 votes against you ) or "not agreed by the PMC".
> >
> > And what you want is "what the community want".
> >
> > --
> > Costin
> >
> > P.S. - ops, it seems you got me again - into answering. Sorry.
>
> Costin, this has been like you since I have known you. You are an excellent
> developer in that you can work on your own, but when it comes to working
> within a project or group of people where you need to ask the opinions of
> others and then take those seriously, I haven't seen you doing that at all.
Maybe you should talk to Scott Boag et al from xalan dev team what they
think about how Costin works in a project before making such comments on a
public mailing list....
Also Costin is the only one on 3.x tree from Sun. All the others are from
outside Sun. Just goes to show how WELL he works with a group of people
that aren't even geographically co-located..
As for the way the PMC works - I have had this discussion with James on
more than one occasion - the pmc incase of xml and jakarta unlike the
httpd project comprises of people who aren't the core developers... People
who aren't working on the project get to make the decisions. From what I
have heard the httpd on the other hand has the core developers as part of
the pmc. That is the way it should be.... Maybe this should also be an
issue that needs to be discussed in tomorrow's meeting....
- Rajiv
>
> Before Sam points it out, I will state that I am also guilty of doing the
> same thing. However, I am trying to work on fixing that (admitted) portion
> of my personality defect. What are you doing about it?
>
> You think that by fixing Tomcat 3.x to be re-factored code is a good thing.
> I agree. However, it doesn't fall in line with continuing the development
> indefinitely because major changes mean the potential for major bugs and
> further support issues as well as a split project's resources.
And a re-write doesn't bring most of these problems??
>
> Again, where does it stop? Maybe if you had stated that you wanted to
> eventually switch to working on Tomcat 4.x, I would have had some sort of
> affirmation that you would eventually stop on Tomcat 3.x and start on Tomcat
> 4.x, but that has not occurred. In fact, quite the opposite. You have stated
> that you don't think Tomcat 4.x is any good and you also stated that you
> won't work on it.
>
> Given those variables, I feel that I need to step up and draw the line
> somewhere and ask people to vote on that decision. That is what is going to
> happen at the PMC meeting.
>
> -jon
>
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