Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater... It is very usable, but of course there will be some bugs. We just got our JIRA license and will be putting up a proper issue tracker to report these items and encourage anyone to post. Also you can join the mailing list, which can also help declog the tapestry list from specific Cognition issues:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] In regards to DB: We have only been testing properly with MySql so it is recommended you use it as the RDMS for testing Cognition - this will clear up a lot of issues. (I thought I had stated this clearly in the documentation but apparently didn't make it in - apologies). Oracle and Postgres are the next two major dbs to test fully. Ant tasks: Open up the 'Ant View' and drag in the build.xml file. Documentation: We state pretty clear it's a work in progress - trying to get out as much as we can. Part of the beauty of open source is that you can... look at the source. So outside the Modeler, the Cognition Framework src is available at http://dev.thelabllc.com/downloads/. We recommend running the SLAVE module (which we are porting to the Modeler as a new project template). More docs about this will be coming out as soon as possible. Quoting Pedro Viegas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Have to agree with Ed. > Gave a little try at the product and didn't get far also. > Also could not read a schema from database (tried Oracle) > Although I could edit the new schema created giving names to columns and so > on (one has to be patient and give a click on the table... wait half a > second e give another click... and it enters edit mode. Do it to fast and is > a double click... witch doens't activate edit mode... go figure!), and what > next? Where are all those ANT taks one has to execute? > The DEMO viewlet work fine but it appears there is some more instalation and > configuration required to get this up and running and some major testing to > do also. > > Like Ed says... will wait with anticipation for the next... more stable and > ready release... or/and for some more documentation. > > BTW: Check your site for bronken links... there are tons of them. Some > probably are waiting for the referenced content to be available, other are > simply bronken since some more navigation shows shows what the link should > refer to. > > Keep up the work since this framework seems to have all it takes, but for > now, consider at least some major documentation release so we can work with > what is available. > > Thanks, > > On 3/30/06, Ed Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm really like the concept, but trying to use the product it does seem > > very > > "alpha code" > > > > schema - could not use existing database (postgres) > > could not create a new one. Could create, but could not change the table > > names, column names or relationships. This might work if all columns were > > called column1, column2,..., but our database will never be done that way. > > > > > > without a schema, the product didn't seem to have great value. > > > > > > Loking forward to the next release. > > > > ed > > > > On 3/29/06, Derick Fernando <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > > > > Pedro Viegas wrote: > > > > What about security. Authentication and Autorization. > > > > Does Cognition plan to provide some solution for that? > > > > > > > > > > Funny you should ask, I am just wrapping up Spring ACEGI integration. We > > > > > also plan on making a web application to support its configuration so > > > users can easily modify users/groups/roles/persmissions for pages etc. > > > > > > > On 3/28/06, Vinicius Carvalho < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> One word: AWESOME!!!! > > > >> > > > >> On 3/24/06, Konstantin Ignatyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>> Hibernate is really trying to embrace > > > annotations > > > >>> but at this time Annotations are not working quite correct, they > > feel > > > >> buggy. > > > >>> I often see messages in the Hibernate forum from people encountering > > > > > >>> annotation misbehavior in places where hbm mapping works just fine. > > > >>> The bottom line: at this time hbm mapping is more stable and > > robust. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Raul Raja Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This looks > > very > > > >>> interesting. The Trails project uses similar > > > >>> technologies but no plugin and is more Model oriented. > > > >>> > > > >>> My doubts are: > > > >>> > > > >>> Why using hbm.xml files instead of annotations It looks like the > > > >>> hibernate community is moving toward annotations? > > > >>> > > > >>> Is the generation of persistent objects based only in the db schema > > or > > > >>> can the schema be generated based on the Entity/POJOS? > > > >>> > > > >>> It looks like Tapestry is gonna move toward getting ride of the xml > > > spec > > > >>> files. Does cognition compare on any way with Spindle when it comes > > to > > > >>> validate Tapestry pages and components? > > > >>> > > > >>> I have asked this same question in the Trails newsgroup, but it > > seems > > > to > > > >>> me that if Cognition uses hivemind, things like the Persistence > > > >>> Framework or any of its part could be replace just extending > > > >>> configuration points. So that people won't be forced to use > > Hibernate, > > > >>> etc... > > > >>> > > > >>> Can Cognition work with specless pages and components? > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks. It looks like a very promising project > > > >>> > > > >>> Raul Raja. > > > >>> > > > >>> Derick Fernando wrote: > > > >>>> Hello, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I copied this from the nightly builds, I'll try to get this > > resolved > > > >>>> shortly. Thanks for the feedback. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Robert Hannebauer wrote: > > > >>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> the presentation looks really great. I wanted to try the modeler, > > > but > > > >>> it > > > >>>>> seems there are some missing classes/packages. > > > >>>>> e.x. com.thelabllc.cfmodel.wizards.NewProjectCreationWizard. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Robert > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Jesse Kuhnert wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>> This sounds great! Good work guys :) I prefer using jdk 5 and > > > >>> hibernate > > > >>>>>> exclusively and might actually be able to use something like > > this. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On 3/23/06, Derick Fernando wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Steven Bell wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> This looks interesting at first glance (a little soon to give a > > > > > >> real > > > >>>>>>> opinion > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> about it). > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> A couple of questions that pop to mind right off the bat: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Do I have to be using JDK 5.0? > > > >>>>>>>> Do I have to be using Hibernate? > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Yes, currently you have to use both JDK 5.0 and Hibernate. > > > >> Hibernate > > > >>>>>>> filters are used extensively for searches. Currently the grid > > > >>> component > > > >>>>>>> can be mapped to any named query, the search component applies > > > >>> filters > > > >>>>>>> to this query to limit results. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> I'm sure I'll come up with more questions if I get the time to > > > >>> really > > > >>>>>>> dive > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> into this, but these are a couple of showstoppers for me. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> On 3/23/06, Steve Motola wrote: > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> We are proud to announce the Alpha release of the Cognition > > > >>>>>>>>> Framework, > > > >>>>>>> an > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> open > > > >>>>>>>>> source web application framework that uses the Tapestry / > > > >> Hibernate > > > >>> / > > > >>>>>>>>> Spring > > > >>>>>>>>> application stack. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.thelabllc.com > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Accompanying it is an Eclipse Plug-in called the Cognition > > > >> Modeler, > > > >>> a > > > >>>>>>> GUI > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> tool > > > >>>>>>>>> for working with Tapestry and the Cognition Framework. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > http://dev.thelabllc.com/cognition/viewlets/cognition_intro.htm > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> We've been listening closely to the mailing list and have come > > > >>> across > > > >>>>>>> many > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>>>>>>> the same problems in our own development. Here are some of > > the > > > >>>>>>>>> goals we > > > >>>>>>>>> achieve with the Cognition Framework: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> 1. Lower the bar of entry for Tapestry. > > > >>>>>>>>> 2. The ability to start quickly with Hibernate and Spring, > > and > > > >>>>>>>>> not be > > > >>>>>>>>> bogged > > > >>>>>>>>> down with configuration. > > > >>>>>>>>> 3. Have some common practices and standards in terms of > > > >>> application > > > >>>>>>>>> design and > > > >>>>>>>>> approach. > > > >>>>>>>>> 4. Provide GUI tools for Tapestry 4. We look forward to > > > >>>>>>>>> contributing > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Spindle and integrating this within the Beta. > > > >>>>>>>>> 5. Provide a framework that is fully extensible. > > > >>>>>>>>> 6. Rapid Application Development for Tapestry and the rest of > > > >> the > > > >>> OS > > > >>>>>>>>> application stack. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> So give it a download, try it out, give feedback and get > > > >>>>>>>>> involved. We > > > >>>>>>>>> apologize > > > >>>>>>>>> in advance about the lack of documentation, we are working > > > >>>>>>>>> aggressively > > > >>>>>>> on > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> this, > > > >>>>>>>>> as we've been focusing on getting out the Alpha. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.thelabllc.com/Products.page > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Right now we are at EclipseCon. Lots of big vendors have > > fancy, > > > >>>>>>>>> complicated, > > > >>>>>>>>> expensive tools for JSF. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> The Tapestry community needs more tools - ones that are > > simple, > > > >>>>>>>>> affordable, easy > > > >>>>>>>>> to use and allow us to solve problems quickly. We think > > > >> Cognition > > > >>>>>>>>> Framework is > > > >>>>>>>>> on the right path and look forward to having it grow and serve > > > >> the > > > >>>>>>>>> needs > > > >>>>>>>>> of the > > > >>>>>>>>> Tapestry community and beyond. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Derick Fernando, Lead Architect > > > >>>>>>>>> Steve Motola, President > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> The Lab, LLC > > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.thelabllc.com > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>> This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging > > Program. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Steven Bell > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>> ......................................... > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Derick Fernando > > > >>>>>>> Lead Architect > > > >>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>>>> (323) 314-9593 > > > >>>>>>> http://www.thelabllc.com > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Content is for intended recipient only. > > > >>>>>>> Copyright 2001-2005, The Lab, LLC > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>> Jesse Kuhnert > > > >>>>>> Tacos/Tapestry, team member/developer > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Open source based consulting work centered around > > > >>>>>> dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://opennotion.com > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> __________ NOD32 1.1275 (20051103) Information __________ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > >>>>> http://www.eset.com > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Pedro Viegas > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > ......................................... > > > > > > Derick Fernando > > > Lead Architect > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > (323) 314-9593 > > > http://www.thelabllc.com > > > > > > Content is for intended recipient only. > > > Copyright 2001-2005, The Lab, LLC > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ed Ross > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > Pedro Viegas > ........................................ 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