Hi Bernard, No, I did not uninstall the old eloquence. I will try that and report.
Pranav -----Original Message----- From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Hemmings Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:22 PM To: Talks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Talks] Release of Talks v5.21 did you remove the old eloquence first then install the new one. This is how I did it and there are no buzzing scratchy or other noises what so ever. Eloquence can't be running when you update it. I remember when we went to new versions Stephen said to switch to the tts voice or other speech when updating. Because several list members reported problems I decided to remove the old version completely before installing the new. Bernard Hemmings email: bern...@bhemmings.net Skype: Bernard Hemmings Ftp server email: ser...@bhemmings.net ftp server address: livingaudio.bhemmings.net Home: 61-02-95841280 Mobile: 61-0412177799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pranav Lal" <pranav....@gmail.com> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] Release of Talks v5.21 > Hi Bernard and all, > I have a Nokia E72 as well and can confirm the following observations. > 1. Eloquence US has the strange scratching noise or however you want > to describe it. > 2. The symbols list still does not speak. > > Pranav > > On 8/11/11, Bernard Hemmings <li...@bhemmings.net> wrote: >> The browser works ok on the e72 however when using the down arrow to hear >> the links on a page the blindsea web site each link is spoken twice so >> you >> have to press the down arrow twice to move to the next link. I don't >> know >> about the email app yet. I wonder if the symbol list works on other >> updated >> phones as it does not on the e72. >> >> Bernard Hemmings >> email: bern...@bhemmings.net >> Skype: Bernard Hemmings >> Ftp server email: ser...@bhemmings.net >> ftp server address: livingaudio.bhemmings.net >> Home: 61-02-95841280 >> Mobile: 61-0412177799 >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Release of Talks v5.21 >> >> >>>i got iinstalled properly >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Eleanor Burke" <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com> >>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Talks] Release of Talks v5.21 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Make sure your software certificate is set to all. Then you should not >>>> get the problem. >>>> -original message- >>>> Subject: Re: [Talks] Release of Talks v5.21 >>>> From: "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com> >>>> Date: 11/08/2011 11:15 am >>>> >>>> i got a message unable to install constrained by the sirtificate. what >>>> do i >>>> do? >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" <for...@talknav.com> >>>> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>; >>>> <talks...@freelists.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 5:31 AM >>>> Subject: [Talks] Release of Talks v5.21 >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> Nuance have released the new latest version of Talks, available for >>>>> immediate download from TalkNav's FTP site, www.talknav.com, simply >>>>> click >>>>> on Nuance Accessibility, Downloads, then click the link to connect to >>>>> our >>>>> FTP, and then follow through. >>>>> >>>>> Release notes below, you can also from our site purchase any upgrades >>>>> to >>>>> your license that you may need, or indeed, transfer licenses that you >>>>> may >>>>> require if you now wish to try out a new phone. >>>>> >>>>> Nuance TALKS&ZOOMS Version 5.21 >>>>> Release Notification >>>>> 1. Introduction >>>>> We proudly announce the release of the Nuance Accessibility Suite - >>>>> Nuance >>>>> TALKS and ZOOMS - Version 5.21 supporting Series 60 3rd Edition / 5th >>>>> Edition / Symbian^3 for August 11th, 2011. >>>>> >>>>> Version 5.21 is a free upgrade for all Premium Edition licenses >>>>> generated >>>>> after November 13th, 2007 (the release date of TALKS 3.50 for 3rd >>>>> Edition). >>>>> In particular, this means that it can be installed by any customer who >>>>> is >>>>> currently able to run version 4.11 or 5 without requiring a new >>>>> license. >>>>> 2. The new handsets >>>>> 2.1. Changes to the list of supported phone models >>>>> The following handsets are newly supported (please see section 4 >>>>> "Known >>>>> Issues" about some limitations): >>>>> >>>>> Nokia C5-00 5MP >>>>> Nokia C5-03 >>>>> Nokia C6-01 >>>>> Nokia E6-00 >>>>> Nokia E7-00 >>>>> Nokia X5-01 >>>>> >>>>> We also assume the following phones to work without major problems. >>>>> However >>>>> we have not got enough test results yet to definitely confirm this: >>>>> >>>>> Nokia X7-00 >>>>> >>>>> See section 6 for a full list of compatible handsets for this version. >>>>> 3. What's New? >>>>> This section lists the improvements of TALKS&ZOOMS 5.21 compared to >>>>> the >>>>> previous version (5.20). >>>>> 3.1. New versions of Eloquence and Vocalizer >>>>> This update includes new versions of both Eloquence and Vocalizer >>>>> packages >>>>> for all languages. Old versions of these voices can still be used, >>>>> however >>>>> it is important not to mix different versions of Vocalizer on the same >>>>> phone, as this can lead to problems when switching to a Vocalizer >>>>> voice. >>>>> >>>>> . Eloquence 6.1.125: this version uses 16kHz audio output on all >>>>> phones. This both improves compatibility (for example making speech >>>>> during >>>>> a >>>>> call possible on Symbian^3 phones) and audio quality. In addition, >>>>> this >>>>> version fixes crashes seen with the US English version packaged in the >>>>> previous TALKS releases. >>>>> >>>>> There are now two installation packages available for US English, one >>>>> called >>>>> Eloquence_enu_dct_6_1_125.sisx which contains an extended >>>>> pronunciation >>>>> dictionary, and one called Eloquence_enu_6_1_125.sisx without the >>>>> dictionary, leading to somewhat higher speed and lower memory >>>>> consumption. >>>>> >>>>> . Vocalizer 5.42.1: this version includes the latest updates from >>>>> ongoing Vocalizer product development, with various improvements >>>>> across >>>>> several languages as voices. >>>>> 3.2. Other changes >>>>> This section lists further changes to TALKS that were made in this >>>>> update: >>>>> >>>>> Application support: >>>>> >>>>> . The new web browser (version 7.3) introduced with the June 2011 >>>>> firmware update for some phones, e.g. the E52, E72, C5-00 and E5-00, >>>>> is >>>>> now >>>>> supported. This also fixes access to e-mails that was lost for the >>>>> same >>>>> reason on these phones. >>>>> . Some new items can be read on the Home screen, e.g. profile name, >>>>> Widget Catalogue or Microsoft Communicator entry. >>>>> . Internet Radio: volume keys are enabled by default also on touch >>>>> screens. >>>>> . Internet Radio: Added reading of Now Playing and Station Info >>>>> screens on 3rd Edition, plus some error popups. >>>>> . Symbian^3: [long Vol Down] now defaults to [Enter] in web browser, >>>>> to allow selecting bookmarks with side keys. >>>>> . Symbian^3: Added support for reading focus in "album cover" view. >>>>> . An embedded browser without a window title is announced as >>>>> "browser", to clarify situation e.g. when opening an e-mail body. This >>>>> indicates that [Talks],[Down] can be used to read the contents of the >>>>> page, >>>>> if it is not otherwise accessible. >>>>> >>>>> Touch screen improvements: >>>>> >>>>> . Disabled use of [Camera] key to force "explore" mode. This feature >>>>> was introduced in version 5.20, but led to various incompatibilities, >>>>> for >>>>> example by blocking the starting of the [Camera] application >>>>> . Symbian^3: rotated portrait [Talks] and browser keypads by 90 >>>>> degrees, to better match softkey layout on screen. >>>>> . The symbol table of the virtual keypad is now being read. Note that >>>>> the symbol table can still cause the virtual keypad to become >>>>> inaccessible >>>>> on some 5th Edition phones. >>>>> . Symbian^3: Text input into objects announced as "Fields" (e.g. time >>>>> or date) is now supported. Note that it is still not available on 5th >>>>> Edition models. >>>>> . Symbian^3: Virtual keyboard in Ovi Maps Search dialog is recognized >>>>> in the proper place on the screen. >>>>> . Added "Change reading of graphics" and "Read date and time" to top >>>>> row of virtual keyboard for [Talks] key. >>>>> . Multi-tap gestures are no longer blocked by TALKS. >>>>> >>>>> Other changes: >>>>> >>>>> . Symbian^3: speech on a call is now supported. As a result, the >>>>> Caller ID can be read, for example by pressing [TALKS],[Up] when call >>>>> is >>>>> ringing. >>>>> . Disabled T9 dictionary in Manual Registration screen for easier >>>>> input of license. >>>>> . You can now press the second key in a TALKS shortcut, such as >>>>> [Talks],[5], together with the [Talks] key, rather than having to >>>>> release >>>>> the [Talks] key first. >>>>> >>>>> Bug fixes: >>>>> >>>>> . Fixed cases where the virtual keyboard was not being detected in >>>>> certain situations (also affecting Daisy2go). >>>>> . Fixed rare application crash when long text is changing, e.g. >>>>> scrolling appointments in month view of E52 calendar. >>>>> . Fixed restart of Symbian^3 phones when using zoom gesture in >>>>> browser. >>>>> . Fixed recognition of focus in e-mail inbox in "portrait" mode. >>>>> . Fixed rare incidents where the following text was often being >>>>> suppressed after a particular menu item (the exact situation where >>>>> this >>>>> happened depended very much on voice, speed, audio settings etc.). >>>>> . Fixed cases where task switcher on Symbian^3 phones was announced >>>>> when it was not in the foreground. >>>>> . Braille: partial fix to problems entering SMS messages using >>>>> Braille. The contents of the message and the number of remaining >>>>> characters >>>>> are now updated when either [Space] or [Delete] are pressed, so adding >>>>> and >>>>> deleting a space at the end of a message can be used to make sure the >>>>> message gets sent in full. >>>>> 4. Known Issues with specific handsets and apps >>>>> . Nokia browser 7.3: opening drop-down lists by pressing [Select] >>>>> currently does not work reliably, due to a bug in the browser. >>>>> . In very rare cases, this version of TALKS may leave the audio >>>>> channel of the phone open until the next sentence is spoken, leading >>>>> to >>>>> higher battery consumption and possibly conflicts with the SMS signal. >>>>> This >>>>> is expected to happen only in very specific circumstances, and thus >>>>> not >>>>> affect the majority of users. >>>>> . Nokia E7-00: the default [Talks] key on this phone is the [Menu] key >>>>> at the front of the device. This key will not behave correctly if it >>>>> is >>>>> pressed twice too quickly, or if the touch screen is used within about >>>>> a >>>>> second after pressing [Talks]. It is recommended to always wait a >>>>> moment >>>>> after pressing the [Talks] key on this phone. >>>>> . Symbian^3: double-tapping on a scroll bar may lead to a restart of >>>>> the phone, especially if it is done quickly after opening a new >>>>> window. >>>>> . Nokia C5-03: In the List view of the main menu, no cursor is >>>>> displayed when moving around with the side keys, so the focus is not >>>>> spoken. >>>>> As a workaround, use either Grid view, or explore the screen to select >>>>> menu >>>>> items. >>>>> . Touch phones: currently, there are some limitations to the use of >>>>> the on-screen keyboard for text entry. In particular, the menus for >>>>> switching to other keyboard layouts and for picking suggestions from >>>>> the >>>>> T9 >>>>> dictionary are not fully accessible. Switching to other keyboard >>>>> layouts >>>>> is >>>>> not recommended, as some of them (e.g. mini-Qwerty or handwriting) are >>>>> not >>>>> yet supported by TALKS, and can be difficult to exit. >>>>> . 5th Edition only: On some phones opening the symbol table in the >>>>> on-screen keyboard can lead to the keyboard stopping to take input >>>>> until >>>>> you >>>>> press [Exit] to go to the main menu, and then return to the >>>>> application >>>>> where you were entering text. >>>>> . 5th Edition only: text entry into an object announced as "Fields" >>>>> (e.g. a date or a time) is not supported well by this version of >>>>> TALKS, >>>>> as >>>>> the virtual keyboard cannot be used with speech. This limits the use >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> Calendar and Clock applications that rely on these types of objects >>>>> for >>>>> date >>>>> and time input. >>>>> . Internet radio on 3rd Edition phones: long list items start >>>>> scrolling horizontally when they become focused, so TALKS will repeat >>>>> their >>>>> contents partially a few times until they stop moving. >>>>> . N97: training mode will read the digits, rather than the letters, >>>>> for the keys in the top row of the QWERTY keyboard. >>>>> . E55: [Talks],[digit] shortcuts have been reported to not work >>>>> properly on this phone, most likely as a result of the unusual >>>>> keyboard >>>>> layout. >>>>> . 3rd Edition (FP1 and FP2): the "Search" application is not >>>>> supported. >>>>> . 3rd Edition FP2: You will notice a slow response of voice >>>>> recognition "beep" after holding [Key 2] when TALKS is not muted >>>>> . E75: When using ZOOMS, moving around the screen by holding down the >>>>> cursor keys is currently not possible. The magnified portion of the >>>>> screen >>>>> always follows the current focus position. >>>>> . N96: "Photos" application (and "Photos" submenu of "Gallery") is not >>>>> supported. >>>>> . N96 (prior to 20.x firmware), N91 and Nokia 5500: Daisy2Go not >>>>> support playback of audio books due to a missing MP3 codec. >>>>> 5. FAQ >>>>> Q: Your software does not install on my E-Series handset or branded >>>>> device, >>>>> and reports a Certificate Error! Why? >>>>> A: While TALKS&ZOOMS for Symbian itself is certified, and thus can be >>>>> installed on any supported handset, the installers for the TTS engines >>>>> (Eloquence or Vocalizer for Mobile) are not signed. E-Series handsets >>>>> and >>>>> some branded devices only accept the installation of signed software, >>>>> unless >>>>> you turn of the corresponding option inside the Application Manager: >>>>> . Open the phone menu. >>>>> . Open the App. Manager inside the Tools folder >>>>> . Press "Options", then select "Settings". >>>>> . Set "Software Installation" from "Signed only" to "All". >>>>> . Press "Back" to close the Settings dialogue, then "Exit" to close >>>>> the App. Manager. >>>>> . Now, you can install the TTS engine. >>>>> Another reason could be that the date on your phone is not set >>>>> correctly - >>>>> as Symbian apps need to be digitally signed, SIS files can only be >>>>> installed >>>>> if the phone is set to a valid date. >>>>> >>>>> Q: Can I install the new release of TALKS&ZOOMS, while a previous >>>>> release >>>>> is >>>>> active? >>>>> A: Yes, if the new version is installed to the same memory location as >>>>> the >>>>> previous release. If you would like to change the memory location, you >>>>> have >>>>> to remove the previous release first! >>>>> >>>>> Q: Why do I get an "Upgrade error" when installing the S60 3rd/5th >>>>> Edition >>>>> version? >>>>> A: The most likely reasons are that you have used a beta release, or >>>>> already >>>>> have the Nokia TTS driver available that was installed as a separate >>>>> file >>>>> with version 3.10. Please remove any beta version, as well as the >>>>> Nokia >>>>> TTS >>>>> driver or the Nuance Speech2Go Reader application, before upgrading to >>>>> TALKS >>>>> 5.21. >>>>> >>>>> Q: Why do I get an "Invalid serial number" error when trying to >>>>> activate >>>>> >>>>> a >>>>> demo version of TALKS, even though I have entered the code correctly >>>>> and >>>>> never used TALKS on this phone before? >>>>> A: The most likely reason is that TALKS thinks the demo has already >>>>> "expired" because the date on the phone is set incorrectly, usually to >>>>> some >>>>> date in the future. >>>>> >>>>> Q: Why do the side keys on my touch screen phone no longer move the >>>>> cursor >>>>> after upgrading to the latest version of TALKS? >>>>> A: Some keyboard functions, such as [Talks],[digit] shortcuts on the >>>>> Idle >>>>> screen and the use of the side keys to navigate through menus on 5th >>>>> Edition, are only supported after the phone has been rebooted once >>>>> after >>>>> installing or re-enabling TALKS. >>>>> 6. Full compatibility list >>>>> 6.1. Current models >>>>> This section lists compatible handsets running on Series 60 3rd >>>>> Edition >>>>> Feature Pack 2, Series 60 5th Edition and Symbian^3, many of which are >>>>> available at least in some markets: >>>>> >>>>> . Keyboard phones: >>>>> o Nokia 5320 XpressMusic >>>>> o Nokia 5630 XpressMusic >>>>> o Nokia 6700 slide (but not 6700 classic!) >>>>> o Nokia 6210 Navigator >>>>> o Nokia 6220 Classic >>>>> o Nokia 6650 fold >>>>> o Nokia 6710 Navigator >>>>> o Nokia 6720 classic >>>>> o Nokia 6730 classic >>>>> o Nokia 6790 Surge / slide >>>>> o Nokia C5-00 >>>>> o Nokia C5-00 5MP (new) >>>>> o Nokia E5-00 >>>>> o Nokia E52 >>>>> o Nokia E66 >>>>> o Nokia E71 >>>>> o Nokia E71x >>>>> o Nokia E72 >>>>> o Nokia E73 >>>>> o Nokia E75 >>>>> o Nokia N78 >>>>> o Nokia N79 >>>>> o Nokia N85 >>>>> o Nokia N86 >>>>> o Nokia N96 >>>>> o Nokia X5-01 (new) >>>>> . Touch screen phones: >>>>> o Nokia 5230 Xpress Music >>>>> o Nokia 5800 Xpress Music >>>>> o Nokia C5-03 (new) >>>>> o Nokia C6-00 >>>>> o Nokia C6-01 (new) >>>>> o Nokia C7-00 >>>>> o Nokia E6-00 (new) >>>>> o Nokia E7-00 (new) >>>>> o Nokia N8-00 >>>>> o Nokia N97 >>>>> o Nokia N97mini >>>>> o Nokia X6 >>>>> . Untested, but expected to work: >>>>> o Nokia 5228 Xpress Music >>>>> o Nokia 5235 Xpress Music >>>>> o Nokia 5530 Xpress Music >>>>> o Nokia 5730 Xpress Music >>>>> o Nokia X7-00 (new) >>>>> 6.2. Earlier models (3rd Edition Feature Pack 1 and older) >>>>> This section lists handsets running earlier versions of Series 60 3rd >>>>> Edition which can still be upgraded to run TALKS 5.00. However, they >>>>> are >>>>> typically no longer available in most regions except as second-hand >>>>> and >>>>> refurbished devices. >>>>> >>>>> . Nokia 3250 >>>>> . Nokia 5500 >>>>> . Nokia 5700 >>>>> . Nokia 6110 Navigator >>>>> . Nokia 6120C >>>>> . Nokia 6121C >>>>> . Nokia 6124 Classic >>>>> . Nokia 6290 >>>>> . Nokia E50 >>>>> . Nokia E51 >>>>> . Nokia E60 >>>>> . Nokia E61 >>>>> . Nokia E61i >>>>> . Nokia E62 >>>>> . Nokia E63 >>>>> . Nokia E65 >>>>> . Nokia E70 >>>>> . Nokia E90 >>>>> . Nokia N71 >>>>> . Nokia N72 >>>>> . Nokia N73 >>>>> . Nokia N75 >>>>> . Nokia N76 >>>>> . Nokia N80 >>>>> . Nokia N81/ N81 8GB >>>>> . Nokia N82 >>>>> . Nokia N91 >>>>> . Nokia N95 / N95 8GB >>>>> >>>>> END OF NOTES >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Neil Barnfather >>>>> >>>>> Talks List Administrator >>>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather >>>>> >>>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your >>>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com >>>>> >>>>> URL: - www.talknav.com >>>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com >>>>> Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Talks mailing list >>>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>>> >>>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>>> and >>>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> and >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talks mailing list >>>> Talks@talksusers.com >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> and >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talks mailing list >>> Talks@talksusers.com >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>> >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>> and >>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talks mailing list >> Talks@talksusers.com >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >> >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >> and >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@talksusers.com > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
