On whether it's worth the bother for us to write to Nokia, I'd only say that if we don't make our opinions known then there's no way we'll make any headway in getting more accessibility into newer phones and applications.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 09:01:22PM +0000, Paul Hopkins wrote: > Thanks Matt, I'll talk to them and see what they have to say. > > Saquib: We are not just talking about lack of access to the camera as > you can see from this thread. You will also note the involvement of > blind people in recent Nokia marketing. > > You are right in that our phones are accessible now but, we are > falling further behind as it seems that our third party screen readers > are working less reliably with what we have come to expect as standard > as blind people and not at all with some desirables. > > So, I'll be the blinkie who at least asks the questions. > > Cheers. > > Paul > > > On 26/02/2011, Saqib <sa...@samobile.net> wrote: > > Hi. I personally don't think it's worth the bother. A few blinks > > writing to them isn't going to move mountins. We already have access > > to our current phones so what's the big deal if a blind person can use > > a N8 or not as far as camera usage is concerned. > > Original message: > >> They are not stupid Paul, they are trying to see the phone to those people > >> who think they cannot use a camera. I would say the advert, if proven > >> that > >> it is not a blind person, is in poor taste and Nokia should be challenged. > >> We can write indivjidually or if someone made available some tyjpe of form > >> we could all sign, you know the tyjpe of thing, like if someone is unwell > >> or > >> whatever, like signing the WFA petition, then we could all as blind people > >> worldwide challenge Nokia on this. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Paul Hopkins" <vipodcast...@gmail.com> > >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 3:43 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia Accessibility & Maps - Commentary > > > > > >>> Its worse than that! > > > >>> Have you seen the N8 advert on TV at the moment where you have a blind > >>> photographer using said N8 to take a photo of a roller coaster? > > > >>> As far as I know, there is nothing on the N8 in its own right which > >>> makes it accessible enough for a blind person to access it... Third > >>> party software like Talks not withstanding. > > > >>> How stupid are they at Nokia? > > > >>> I'm very, very happy to support any genuine effort if they make a > >>> propper effort at accessibility but, for them to make out that all is > >>> good cause they show a few blind people using their products is either > >>> miss guided at best or, down right lies at worse. > > > >>> So, if anyone does have contacts to decision makers in Nokia who can > >>> listen and take part in good constructive dialogue, I'd be interested > >>> too. > > > >>> Cheers. > > > >>> Paul > > > >>> On 26/02/2011, Matthew Chao <mattc...@verizon.net> wrote: > >>>> Hi, Folks! Regarding Ovi Maps and not being able to download them, I > >>>> got up on the Nokia Web site, went to the Accessibility link, and > >>>> then went to the Vision link. > > > >>>> First, overall, it was nice to see a story of a woman using Ovi Maps > >>>> to navigate, but nothing about full accessibility. That is, sure, we > >>>> can use the maps, but only online, given how accessible Ovi Suite is > >>>> NOT. > > > >>>> Second, on the main Web site under software support, it''s mentioned > >>>> that PC Suite will be replaced by Ovi Suite, which, as we know, is > >>>> currently inaccessible to screenreaders on the PC. > > > >>>> Finally, Ovi Store also seems to be inaccessible. Could actually > >>>> make use of that app if it was accessible. > > > >>>> My question is: has anyone contacted Nokia regarding the > >>>> accessibility issues, and if so, has there been any feeback from > >>>> them? If no one has brought the accessibility issue to Nokia's > >>>> attention, is there anyone in Support who we could contact? Thanks > >>>> in advance for any ideas regarding this matter.--Matthew Chao > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Talks mailing list > >>>> Talks@talksusers.com > >>>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > > >>>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > >>>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > >>>> and > >>>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > > > > > > >>> -- > >>> Paul Hopkins > >>> Please feel free to go to the links below to find out more about the > >>> Podcasts and audio downloads I produce and edit: > > > >>> Outlook UK Audio Magazine articles (available as individual audio > >>> downloads): > > > >>> http://www.outlook-uk.org/connecting/outlook-audio-cd-magazine > > > >>> The Look Podcast page: > > > >>> http://www.lookpodcast.libsyn.com > > > >>> Subscribe FREE to The Look Podcast with: > > > >>> http://www.lookpodcast.libsyn.com/rss > > > >>> Vipodcasting Podcast page: > > > >>> http://www.vipodcasting.libsyn.com > > > >>> Subscribe to Vipodcasting with: > > > >>> http://www.vipodcasting.libsyn.com/rss > > > >>> I am also on SKYPE, just search for vipodcasting. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Talks mailing list > >>> Talks@talksusers.com > >>> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > > >>> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > >>> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > >>> and > >>> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Talks mailing list > >> Talks@talksusers.com > >> http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > > >> Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > >> eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > >> and > >> Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ > > > > -- > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. 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