Hi, Paul. Go for it!!! We need our accessibility back regarding software.
Will take a look on the Mac side. Not optimistic. Let me know how
your calls turn out.--Matthew Chao
At 12:24 PM 2/26/2011, you wrote:
OK!
I am pretty sure the guy is blind as they refer to Him in the blurb
around the YouTube ad which I have provided the link for here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU5yCO7oyxk
You will see a comment I made there a few days ago too!
It's even worse if Nokia are saying if a blind person can use it,
anyone can. I wouldn't credit them with that much stupidity just yet.
I'll need to research a bit more in terms of who we can talk to at
Nokia about this but, there is definitely a bit of a trend with Nokia
going on here.
I read another article recently where they gave a blind guy an N97
cause he was using OVI maps and some story came out of that.
If it comes to it, I'll phone their UK headquarters on Monday and have
a chat with someone.
I think these are opportunities to turn stones and see what can be
done for the positive in terms of accessibility.
Nokia need good PR at the moment as there is a lot of controvacy
around their recent general announcements.
Cheers.
Paul
On 26/02/2011, Eleanor Burke <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I think it is disappointing that it is only the Talks Dealers that have
> access to those developing Talks. It would be great even if we had the
> assurance that one of the developers while not answering our individual
> mails was at least reading all we say.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew Chao" <mattc...@verizon.net>
> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia Accessibility & Maps - Commentary
>
>
>> Talks is always playing catchup. I don't get a sense that Nokia
>> cooperates with Talks, nor do they care. And do they really talk to those
>>
>> of us who use PC screenreaders? Nprobably not, considering what's not
>> accessible. This is how you lose customers.--Matthew Chao
>>
>> At 11:08 AM 2/26/2011, you wrote:
>>>Sorry Matt?!
>>>
>>>When I read your message the first time, I thought you were talking to
>>>me but, then I realised that essentially, you are agreeing with me.
>>>
>>>Or, am I wrong?
>>>
>>>When you say, awfully disingenuous, I presume you are talking about Nokia?
>>>
>>>Just wanted to check as my head is fuzzy with assignment work. :)
>>>
>>>I agree with you in regard to a Nokia preference and I was struggling
>>>to use the likes of the 5100 with a magnifier long before Talks was
>>>around. So, probably been using them for around 15 years.
>>>
>>>And yet, I'll go to IPhone, as soon as I can afford it, whatever its
>>>constraints to us or the learning curve, because they have got, or
>>>have been made to get the notion of having accessibility right out of
>>>the box.
>>>
>>>I fully understand that it was always the third party apps like Talks
>>>that enabled access to Nokia phones in the first place... And that, to
>>>some extent, they were always playing catch up. But, when they are
>>>being potentially frozen out altogether as new development takes place
>>>in Nokia World and then Nokia are using VI People to Market their
>>>products, I have a problem.
>>>
>>>Cheers.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
>>>On 26/02/2011, Matthew Chao <mattc...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> > Hi, Paul! That's awfully disingenuous. No wonder people who are
>>> > blind or visually impaired are looking more at the iPhone. I like
>>> > Nokia phones because I like the good ol' fashioned keypad. But
>>> > what's the point if the PC software becomes inaccessible, and you
>>> > can't download maps to save battery power and not be online every
>>> > time you need to navigate. Besides, there are times when you have no
>>> > cell coverage, but still have GPS access. So, what happens when the
>>> > online maps go away? A cobbled solution at best, or say what you
>>> > mean, mean what you say.--Matthew Chao
>>> >
>>> > At 10:43 AM 2/26/2011, you wrote:
>>> >>Its worse than that!
>>> >>
>>> >>Have you seen the N8 advert on TV at the moment where you have a blind
>>> >>photographer using said N8 to take a photo of a roller coaster?
>>> >>
>>> >>As far as I know, there is nothing on the N8 in its own right which
>>> >>makes it accessible enough for a blind person to access it... Third
>>> >>party software like Talks not withstanding.
>>> >>
>>> >>How stupid are they at Nokia?
>>> >>
>>> >>I'm very, very happy to support any genuine effort if they make a
>>> >>propper effort at accessibility but, for them to make out that all is
>>> >>good cause they show a few blind people using their products is either
>>> >>miss guided at best or, down right lies at worse.
>>> >>
>>> >>So, if anyone does have contacts to decision makers in Nokia who can
>>> >>listen and take part in good constructive dialogue, I'd be interested
>>> >>too.
>>> >>
>>> >>Cheers.
>>> >>
>>> >>Paul
>>> >>
>>> >>On 26/02/2011, Matthew Chao <mattc...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> >> > Hi, Folks! Regarding Ovi Maps and not being able to download them,
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > got up on the Nokia Web site, went to the Accessibility link, and
>>> >> > then went to the Vision link.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > First, overall, it was nice to see a story of a woman using Ovi Maps
>>> >> > to navigate, but nothing about full accessibility. That is, sure,
>>> >> > we
>>> >> > can use the maps, but only online, given how accessible Ovi Suite is
>>> >> > NOT.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Second, on the main Web site under software support, it''s mentioned
>>> >> > that PC Suite will be replaced by Ovi Suite, which, as we know, is
>>> >> > currently inaccessible to screenreaders on the PC.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Finally, Ovi Store also seems to be inaccessible. Could actually
>>> >> > make use of that app if it was accessible.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > My question is: has anyone contacted Nokia regarding the
>>> >> > accessibility issues, and if so, has there been any feeback from
>>> >> > them? If no one has brought the accessibility issue to Nokia's
>>> >> > attention, is there anyone in Support who we could contact? Thanks
>>> >> > in advance for any ideas regarding this matter.--Matthew Chao
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