Here is more about the blind photographer from NokiaBlog. http://mynokiablog.com/2011/02/21/video-nokia-n8-tv-ad-preview-blind-photography/comment-page-1/#comment-49718
Again, some comments at the end of the article which I have taken part in. It's heartening to hear support from people who don't know much about our world and amazing what they think we can and can't do... I love the questions though as it amounts to interest. You'll see more when you get there. Cheers. Paul On 26/02/2011, Paul Hopkins <vipodcast...@gmail.com> wrote: > OK! > > I am pretty sure the guy is blind as they refer to Him in the blurb > around the YouTube ad which I have provided the link for here: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU5yCO7oyxk > > You will see a comment I made there a few days ago too! > > It's even worse if Nokia are saying if a blind person can use it, > anyone can. I wouldn't credit them with that much stupidity just yet. > > I'll need to research a bit more in terms of who we can talk to at > Nokia about this but, there is definitely a bit of a trend with Nokia > going on here. > > I read another article recently where they gave a blind guy an N97 > cause he was using OVI maps and some story came out of that. > > If it comes to it, I'll phone their UK headquarters on Monday and have > a chat with someone. > > I think these are opportunities to turn stones and see what can be > done for the positive in terms of accessibility. > > Nokia need good PR at the moment as there is a lot of controvacy > around their recent general announcements. > > Cheers. > > Paul > > On 26/02/2011, Eleanor Burke <eleanorbu...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> I think it is disappointing that it is only the Talks Dealers that have >> access to those developing Talks. It would be great even if we had the >> assurance that one of the developers while not answering our individual >> mails was at least reading all we say. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Matthew Chao" <mattc...@verizon.net> >> To: "Talks Mailing List" <talks@talksusers.com> >> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 4:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia Accessibility & Maps - Commentary >> >> >>> Talks is always playing catchup. I don't get a sense that Nokia >>> cooperates with Talks, nor do they care. And do they really talk to >>> those >>> >>> of us who use PC screenreaders? Nprobably not, considering what's not >>> accessible. This is how you lose customers.--Matthew Chao >>> >>> At 11:08 AM 2/26/2011, you wrote: >>>>Sorry Matt?! >>>> >>>>When I read your message the first time, I thought you were talking to >>>>me but, then I realised that essentially, you are agreeing with me. >>>> >>>>Or, am I wrong? >>>> >>>>When you say, awfully disingenuous, I presume you are talking about >>>> Nokia? >>>> >>>>Just wanted to check as my head is fuzzy with assignment work. :) >>>> >>>>I agree with you in regard to a Nokia preference and I was struggling >>>>to use the likes of the 5100 with a magnifier long before Talks was >>>>around. So, probably been using them for around 15 years. >>>> >>>>And yet, I'll go to IPhone, as soon as I can afford it, whatever its >>>>constraints to us or the learning curve, because they have got, or >>>>have been made to get the notion of having accessibility right out of >>>>the box. >>>> >>>>I fully understand that it was always the third party apps like Talks >>>>that enabled access to Nokia phones in the first place... And that, to >>>>some extent, they were always playing catch up. But, when they are >>>>being potentially frozen out altogether as new development takes place >>>>in Nokia World and then Nokia are using VI People to Market their >>>>products, I have a problem. >>>> >>>>Cheers. >>>> >>>>Paul >>>> >>>>On 26/02/2011, Matthew Chao <mattc...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> > Hi, Paul! That's awfully disingenuous. No wonder people who are >>>> > blind or visually impaired are looking more at the iPhone. I like >>>> > Nokia phones because I like the good ol' fashioned keypad. But >>>> > what's the point if the PC software becomes inaccessible, and you >>>> > can't download maps to save battery power and not be online every >>>> > time you need to navigate. Besides, there are times when you have no >>>> > cell coverage, but still have GPS access. So, what happens when the >>>> > online maps go away? A cobbled solution at best, or say what you >>>> > mean, mean what you say.--Matthew Chao >>>> > >>>> > At 10:43 AM 2/26/2011, you wrote: >>>> >>Its worse than that! >>>> >> >>>> >>Have you seen the N8 advert on TV at the moment where you have a >>>> >> blind >>>> >>photographer using said N8 to take a photo of a roller coaster? >>>> >> >>>> >>As far as I know, there is nothing on the N8 in its own right which >>>> >>makes it accessible enough for a blind person to access it... Third >>>> >>party software like Talks not withstanding. >>>> >> >>>> >>How stupid are they at Nokia? >>>> >> >>>> >>I'm very, very happy to support any genuine effort if they make a >>>> >>propper effort at accessibility but, for them to make out that all is >>>> >>good cause they show a few blind people using their products is >>>> >> either >>>> >>miss guided at best or, down right lies at worse. >>>> >> >>>> >>So, if anyone does have contacts to decision makers in Nokia who can >>>> >>listen and take part in good constructive dialogue, I'd be interested >>>> >>too. >>>> >> >>>> >>Cheers. >>>> >> >>>> >>Paul >>>> >> >>>> >>On 26/02/2011, Matthew Chao <mattc...@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >> > Hi, Folks! Regarding Ovi Maps and not being able to download >>>> >> > them, >>>> >> > I >>>> >> > got up on the Nokia Web site, went to the Accessibility link, and >>>> >> > then went to the Vision link. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > First, overall, it was nice to see a story of a woman using Ovi >>>> >> > Maps >>>> >> > to navigate, but nothing about full accessibility. That is, sure, >>>> >> > we >>>> >> > can use the maps, but only online, given how accessible Ovi Suite >>>> >> > is >>>> >> > NOT. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Second, on the main Web site under software support, it''s >>>> >> > mentioned >>>> >> > that PC Suite will be replaced by Ovi Suite, which, as we know, is >>>> >> > currently inaccessible to screenreaders on the PC. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Finally, Ovi Store also seems to be inaccessible. Could actually >>>> >> > make use of that app if it was accessible. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > My question is: has anyone contacted Nokia regarding the >>>> >> > accessibility issues, and if so, has there been any feeback from >>>> >> > them? If no one has brought the accessibility issue to Nokia's >>>> >> > attention, is there anyone in Support who we could contact? >>>> >> > Thanks >>>> >> > in advance for any ideas regarding this matter.--Matthew Chao >>>> >> > >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> > Talks mailing list >>>> >> > Talks@talksusers.com >>>> >> > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: >>>> >> > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ >>>> >> > and >>>> >> > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >>-- >>>> >>Paul Hopkins >>>> >>Please feel free to go to the links below to find out more about the >>>> >>Podcasts and audio downloads I produce and edit: >>>> >> >>>> >>Outlook UK Audio Magazine articles (available as individual audio >>>> >> downloads): >>>> >> >>>> >>http://www.outlook-uk.org/connecting/outlook-audio-cd-magazine >>>> >> >>>> >>The Look Podcast page: >>>> >> >>>> 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