Re: [Talks] Nokia and Microsoft form partnership

Sat, 12 Feb 2011 08:25:59 -0800

There is no Symbian 40 at all. That doesn't exist. When a phone says S40 this means Series 40 and not Symbian 40. They are not the same. So there is no Symbian 40 at all. The Series 40 or S40 is Nokia's own internal stuff and has nothing at all to do with Symbian. 

No S40 is not the leading selling then on the market.

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Hardware eventually fails, software eventually works.
No amount of bandwidth can fix poor design.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Long" <dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
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Martain i never saw anything that said synbion v40 was gonna be the main os. all i saw was that another 150 million phones would be sold. ----- Original Message ----- From: "martin wilsher" <martinwils...@btinternet.com> 
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I hope I am wrong, but I read Symbian 40 was the dominant system, not sixty. 
Any thoughts?

-----Original Message-----
From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Stephen Giggar
Sent: 12 February 2011 12:22
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No you are wrong! Symbian is going to be around for years to come! They plan on selling another 150 million Symbian phones! Does that sound like they are 
going to discontinue Symbian? Not to me.

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----- Original Message -----
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I've heard they are scaling back Symbian development. This could mean the 
end of talks support, unless windows 7 gets accessibility, which doesn't
look promising.
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Confusing as recently as nokia just handed the .ovi services to another
company and it was not Microsoft. In order to continue to use your nokia 
/ovi accounts for maps chat free email and so on we had to accept
conditions
and pricing policies recently.  A few month ago we had to accept some
conditions so our ovi accounts could be switched to the new partner.
Both of these came by email from nokia. I was amazed that partnership was 
not mentioned as they are going to provide all of nokia's web services.

Bernard Hemmings
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From: "Edward" <solid.r...@comcast.net>
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Nokia's decision to form a marketing alliance with Microsoft is
interesting,
and has some potential ramafications for Talks users like myself.
Nokia's
CEO, a former vice-president at Microsoft brings truth just a little
closer.
Please read the following.






http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/nokia-adopts-windows-phone-7-as-

primary-platform.ars
Capitulation: Nokia adopts Windows Phone 7
By
Ryan Paul
| Last updated
February 11, 2011 9:35 AM
In a joint briefing made at Nokia's Capital Markets Day event, Microsoft 
and
Nokia
announced a partnership to collaborate on mobile technology. Nokia has
adopted Windows
Phone 7 as its primary mobile phone platform and it will also embrace
Microsoft's
Web services stack, including the Bing search engine.
The partnership creates some uncertainty about Nokia's existing platform 
efforts,
including the Linux-based MeeGo operating system that Nokia co-develops
in
collaboration
with Intel and other vendors. Nokia has confirmed that it will continue
selling its
current lineup of Symbian devices and that it has at least one MeeGo
device
planned
for launch this year.
Symbian will soon be phased out entirely, however, and MeeGo will be
relegated to
an open source experiment with significantly reduced development
resources.
Nokia's
excellent Qt development toolkit, which was once the unifying centerpiece 
of
the
company's platform strategy, will not be coming to Windows Phone 7. Qt
will
continue
to be supported in a limited capacity as the primary development toolkit 
for
Symbian
and as part of the MeeGo stack.
Nokia and Microsoft contend that their union will bring together the
strengths of
Nokia's hardware expertise and Microsoft's software and service
ecosystem.
It's not,
however, entirely clear if this is going to be beneficial for both
parties.
This
deal gets Nokia a modern platform that is roughly competitive and ready
to
ship on
devices today, but the biggest downside is that it guts the company's
software autonomy.
Adoption of Windows Phone 7 is fundamentally an act of capitulation by
Nokia-an acknowledgement
that the company is incapable of building its own ecosystem or innovating 
above the
hardware layer.
The transition will be difficult and costly. Nokia has virtually no
internal
development
expertise on Microsoft's platform and will have to start from scratch as 
it
works
to adopt the operating system. Though promising, Windows Phone 7 is still 
nascent
and doesn't have strong consumer or developer mindshare yet.
Nokia has thrown its existing developer community under the bus and will 
likely not
be able to keep them interested in participating in the brave new world
of
Windows
Phone 7 devices. We are already seeing Nokia third-party developers
talking
about
moving to Android in response to today's announcement. On the other hand, 
Nokia's
commitment to bringing Windows Phone 7 to the world might motivate some
of
the C#
developers who are coding on Windows (a very large potential audience) to 
start looking
seriously at getting into mobile.
Diminished ambitions
Nokia CEO Stephen Elop says that 2011 and 2012 will be "transitional"
years
for the
company. He declined to announce when Nokia will ship its first Windows
Phone 7 device,
but he intends to pull the company forward towards that milestone at a
rapid
pace.
From Microsoft's side of the table, the deal looks a lot more beneficial. 
Adoption
by the largest hardware vendor could help validate Windows Phone 7 and
make
it a
stronger contender. On the other hand, it could scare away Microsoft's
other
partners.
Microsoft is giving Nokia more control over the platform's future and
possibly providing
other exclusive privileges. This could make the operating system look
less
appealing
to HTC and others, driving them to build tighter relationships with
Google.
Microsoft
danced around this issue during the press briefing.
It's not clear if Microsoft's brand is strong enough in Europe or if
Nokia's
brand
is strong enough in the United States to make their combined product
particularly
desirable in either market. Addressing that question, Elop emphasized
that
he has
already discussed the partnership with European carriers and has found
them
to be
receptive and enthusiastic about the partnership.
Whether this deal can save Nokia is a question that's difficult to
answer,
but it's
clear that the company's ambitions have diminished. Adopting Microsoft's 
platform
puts Nokia in the unenviable position of being dependent on Microsoft and 
the success
of Microsoft's fledgling mobile platform.
In light of the challenges that both companies have faced in recent years 
in
their
respective efforts to deliver a credible mobile solution, both will face 
an
uphill
battle as they struggle to compete with Apple and Google. It's a gamble
for
both
Microsoft and Nokia, but if they can get the formula right, they could
jointly form
a formidable mobile juggernaut.

Edward

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