I've heard they are scaling back Symbian development. This could mean the end of talks support, unless windows 7 gets accessibility, which doesn't look promising. -----Original Message----- From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Hemmings Sent: 12 February 2011 02:30 To: Talks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia and Microsoft form partnership
Confusing as recently as nokia just handed the .ovi services to another company and it was not Microsoft. In order to continue to use your nokia /ovi accounts for maps chat free email and so on we had to accept conditions and pricing policies recently. A few month ago we had to accept some conditions so our ovi accounts could be switched to the new partner. Both of these came by email from nokia. I was amazed that partnership was not mentioned as they are going to provide all of nokia's web services. Bernard Hemmings email: bern...@bhemmings.net Skype: Bernard Hemmings Ftp server email: ser...@bhemmings.net ftp server address: livingaudio.bhemmings.net Home: 61-02-95841280 Mobile: 61-0412177799 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward" <solid.r...@comcast.net> To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <talks@talksusers.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia and Microsoft form partnership > > Nokia's decision to form a marketing alliance with Microsoft is > interesting, > and has some potential ramafications for Talks users like myself. Nokia's > CEO, a former vice-president at Microsoft brings truth just a little > closer. > Please read the following. > > > http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/nokia-adopts-windows-phone-7-as- > primary-platform.ars > Capitulation: Nokia adopts Windows Phone 7 > By > Ryan Paul > | Last updated > February 11, 2011 9:35 AM > > In a joint briefing made at Nokia's Capital Markets Day event, Microsoft > and > Nokia > announced a partnership to collaborate on mobile technology. Nokia has > adopted Windows > Phone 7 as its primary mobile phone platform and it will also embrace > Microsoft's > Web services stack, including the Bing search engine. > The partnership creates some uncertainty about Nokia's existing platform > efforts, > including the Linux-based MeeGo operating system that Nokia co-develops in > collaboration > with Intel and other vendors. Nokia has confirmed that it will continue > selling its > current lineup of Symbian devices and that it has at least one MeeGo > device > planned > for launch this year. > Symbian will soon be phased out entirely, however, and MeeGo will be > relegated to > an open source experiment with significantly reduced development > resources. > Nokia's > excellent Qt development toolkit, which was once the unifying centerpiece > of > the > company's platform strategy, will not be coming to Windows Phone 7. Qt > will > continue > to be supported in a limited capacity as the primary development toolkit > for > Symbian > and as part of the MeeGo stack. > Nokia and Microsoft contend that their union will bring together the > strengths of > Nokia's hardware expertise and Microsoft's software and service ecosystem. > It's not, > however, entirely clear if this is going to be beneficial for both > parties. > This > deal gets Nokia a modern platform that is roughly competitive and ready to > ship on > devices today, but the biggest downside is that it guts the company's > software autonomy. > Adoption of Windows Phone 7 is fundamentally an act of capitulation by > Nokia-an acknowledgement > that the company is incapable of building its own ecosystem or innovating > above the > hardware layer. > The transition will be difficult and costly. Nokia has virtually no > internal > development > expertise on Microsoft's platform and will have to start from scratch as > it > works > to adopt the operating system. Though promising, Windows Phone 7 is still > nascent > and doesn't have strong consumer or developer mindshare yet. > Nokia has thrown its existing developer community under the bus and will > likely not > be able to keep them interested in participating in the brave new world of > Windows > Phone 7 devices. We are already seeing Nokia third-party developers > talking > about > moving to Android in response to today's announcement. On the other hand, > Nokia's > commitment to bringing Windows Phone 7 to the world might motivate some of > the C# > developers who are coding on Windows (a very large potential audience) to > start looking > seriously at getting into mobile. > Diminished ambitions > Nokia CEO Stephen Elop says that 2011 and 2012 will be "transitional" > years > for the > company. He declined to announce when Nokia will ship its first Windows > Phone 7 device, > but he intends to pull the company forward towards that milestone at a > rapid > pace. >>From Microsoft's side of the table, the deal looks a lot more beneficial. > Adoption > by the largest hardware vendor could help validate Windows Phone 7 and > make > it a > stronger contender. On the other hand, it could scare away Microsoft's > other > partners. > Microsoft is giving Nokia more control over the platform's future and > possibly providing > other exclusive privileges. This could make the operating system look less > appealing > to HTC and others, driving them to build tighter relationships with > Google. > Microsoft > danced around this issue during the press briefing. > It's not clear if Microsoft's brand is strong enough in Europe or if > Nokia's > brand > is strong enough in the United States to make their combined product > particularly > desirable in either market. Addressing that question, Elop emphasized that > he has > already discussed the partnership with European carriers and has found > them > to be > receptive and enthusiastic about the partnership. > Whether this deal can save Nokia is a question that's difficult to answer, > but it's > clear that the company's ambitions have diminished. Adopting Microsoft's > platform > puts Nokia in the unenviable position of being dependent on Microsoft and > the success > of Microsoft's fledgling mobile platform. > In light of the challenges that both companies have faced in recent years > in > their > respective efforts to deliver a credible mobile solution, both will face > an > uphill > battle as they struggle to compete with Apple and Google. It's a gamble > for > both > Microsoft and Nokia, but if they can get the formula right, they could > jointly form > a formidable mobile juggernaut. > > Edward > > _______________________________________________ > Talks mailing list > Talks@talksusers.com > http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks > > Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: > eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ > and > Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/ _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
