I've seen several people refer to Windows 7 in this discussion. Just to be clear, we're talking about Windows Phone 7, which is entirely different beasty. No JAWS or other Windows 7 screen reader for this platform.
On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 10:39:40AM -0000, martin wilsher wrote: > I've heard they are scaling back Symbian development. This could mean the > end of talks support, unless windows 7 gets accessibility, which doesn't > look promising. > -----Original Message----- > From: talks-boun...@talksusers.com [mailto:talks-boun...@talksusers.com] On > Behalf Of Bernard Hemmings > Sent: 12 February 2011 02:30 > To: Talks Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia and Microsoft form partnership > > > Confusing as recently as nokia just handed the .ovi services to another > company and it was not Microsoft. In order to continue to use your nokia > /ovi accounts for maps chat free email and so on we had to accept conditions > and pricing policies recently. A few month ago we had to accept some > conditions so our ovi accounts could be switched to the new partner. > Both of these came by email from nokia. I was amazed that partnership was > not mentioned as they are going to provide all of nokia's web services. > > Bernard Hemmings > email: bern...@bhemmings.net > Skype: Bernard Hemmings > Ftp server email: ser...@bhemmings.net > ftp server address: livingaudio.bhemmings.net > Home: 61-02-95841280 > Mobile: 61-0412177799 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward" <solid.r...@comcast.net> > To: "'Talks Mailing List'" <talks@talksusers.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Talks] Nokia and Microsoft form partnership > > > > > > Nokia's decision to form a marketing alliance with Microsoft is > > interesting, > > and has some potential ramafications for Talks users like myself. Nokia's > > CEO, a former vice-president at Microsoft brings truth just a little > > closer. > > Please read the following. > > > > > > > http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/02/nokia-adopts-windows-phone-7-as- > > primary-platform.ars > > Capitulation: Nokia adopts Windows Phone 7 > > By > > Ryan Paul > > | Last updated > > February 11, 2011 9:35 AM > > > > In a joint briefing made at Nokia's Capital Markets Day event, Microsoft > > and > > Nokia > > announced a partnership to collaborate on mobile technology. Nokia has > > adopted Windows > > Phone 7 as its primary mobile phone platform and it will also embrace > > Microsoft's > > Web services stack, including the Bing search engine. > > The partnership creates some uncertainty about Nokia's existing platform > > efforts, > > including the Linux-based MeeGo operating system that Nokia co-develops in > > collaboration > > with Intel and other vendors. Nokia has confirmed that it will continue > > selling its > > current lineup of Symbian devices and that it has at least one MeeGo > > device > > planned > > for launch this year. > > Symbian will soon be phased out entirely, however, and MeeGo will be > > relegated to > > an open source experiment with significantly reduced development > > resources. > > Nokia's > > excellent Qt development toolkit, which was once the unifying centerpiece > > of > > the > > company's platform strategy, will not be coming to Windows Phone 7. Qt > > will > > continue > > to be supported in a limited capacity as the primary development toolkit > > for > > Symbian > > and as part of the MeeGo stack. > > Nokia and Microsoft contend that their union will bring together the > > strengths of > > Nokia's hardware expertise and Microsoft's software and service ecosystem. > > It's not, > > however, entirely clear if this is going to be beneficial for both > > parties. > > This > > deal gets Nokia a modern platform that is roughly competitive and ready to > > ship on > > devices today, but the biggest downside is that it guts the company's > > software autonomy. > > Adoption of Windows Phone 7 is fundamentally an act of capitulation by > > Nokia-an acknowledgement > > that the company is incapable of building its own ecosystem or innovating > > above the > > hardware layer. > > The transition will be difficult and costly. Nokia has virtually no > > internal > > development > > expertise on Microsoft's platform and will have to start from scratch as > > it > > works > > to adopt the operating system. Though promising, Windows Phone 7 is still > > nascent > > and doesn't have strong consumer or developer mindshare yet. > > Nokia has thrown its existing developer community under the bus and will > > likely not > > be able to keep them interested in participating in the brave new world of > > Windows > > Phone 7 devices. We are already seeing Nokia third-party developers > > talking > > about > > moving to Android in response to today's announcement. On the other hand, > > Nokia's > > commitment to bringing Windows Phone 7 to the world might motivate some of > > the C# > > developers who are coding on Windows (a very large potential audience) to > > start looking > > seriously at getting into mobile. > > Diminished ambitions > > Nokia CEO Stephen Elop says that 2011 and 2012 will be "transitional" > > years > > for the > > company. He declined to announce when Nokia will ship its first Windows > > Phone 7 device, > > but he intends to pull the company forward towards that milestone at a > > rapid > > pace. > >>From Microsoft's side of the table, the deal looks a lot more beneficial. > > Adoption > > by the largest hardware vendor could help validate Windows Phone 7 and > > make > > it a > > stronger contender. On the other hand, it could scare away Microsoft's > > other > > partners. > > Microsoft is giving Nokia more control over the platform's future and > > possibly providing > > other exclusive privileges. This could make the operating system look less > > appealing > > to HTC and others, driving them to build tighter relationships with > > Google. > > Microsoft > > danced around this issue during the press briefing. > > It's not clear if Microsoft's brand is strong enough in Europe or if > > Nokia's > > brand > > is strong enough in the United States to make their combined product > > particularly > > desirable in either market. Addressing that question, Elop emphasized that > > he has > > already discussed the partnership with European carriers and has found > > them > > to be > > receptive and enthusiastic about the partnership. > > Whether this deal can save Nokia is a question that's difficult to answer, > > but it's > > clear that the company's ambitions have diminished. Adopting Microsoft's > > platform > > puts Nokia in the unenviable position of being dependent on Microsoft and > > the success > > of Microsoft's fledgling mobile platform. > > In light of the challenges that both companies have faced in recent years > > in > > their > > respective efforts to deliver a credible mobile solution, both will face > > an > > uphill > > battle as they struggle to compete with Apple and Google. It's a gamble > > for > > both > > Microsoft and Nokia, but if they can get the formula right, they could > > jointly form > > a formidable mobile juggernaut. > > > > Edward -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Talks mailing list Talks@talksusers.com http://lists.talksusers.com/mailman/listinfo/talks Hosting of this list provided courtesy of: eHosting Limited: http://www.ehosting.com/ and Talknav Inc. http://www.talknav.net/
