On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 19:21:07 -0800, Minh Nguyen <m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us> wrote: > Vào lúc 17:39 2022-11-18, Matija Nalis đã viết: >> 1 on twitter and 2 on OSM Diary of proposer. Do you spot the problem here? >> Because I do. > > No one has seriously proposed to make a Twitter announcement part of the > standard operating procedure for RfCs or votes, whereas someone did seriously > propose Discourse. Even a slippery slope can have some tactile paving. ;-)
Just wait, it will be suggested soon now that Elon Musk has bought it :-) >> Like, for example, I'm reading and writing this on NNTP (Usenet News) gateway >> news.gmane.io, which *is* properly integrated with tagging mailing list. >> Everything I write here, people will see in their Mail clients, and >> everything >> they reply I will see in my News client. > > Yet I recognize that such an arcane configuration cannot possibly get us > closer to a goal of ensuring that tagging discussions reach and engage a > broad cross section of ordinary mappers and data consumers. That must be > our goal; otherwise, the most electorally successful tagging proposal Sure. I didn't mean to propose that people should use NNTP to access tagging proposals (although it does works beautifully for those who are willing to try!), but to bring up an bright example how external service (like gmane NNTP) could be seamlessly and correctly integrated with existing Tagging mailing list. If NNTP server can be integrated with mailing list correctly, so can Discourse. Although I acknowledge it needs some work (proper message referencing and standard ">" quoting comes to mind), it is far from impossible, and would IMHO be a great strategy for bringing two communities together WITHOUT either "side" screaming "bloody murder!" > could still fail to gain traction among the audiences that matter most, > undermining the proposal process. Any temporary fragmentation ahead of a > vote would be secondary to that problem. Well I'm not that sure about /temporary/ fragmentation... > As a baby step, I just set up an "abuse filter" on the wiki that will > tag any change to the |status=, |draftStartDate=, |rfcStartDate=, >|voteStartDate=, or |voteEndDate= parameters on a feature proposal page. > Rest assured, editing one of these parameters won't send you to the > headmaster's office for abusing any privileges, but you can filter > Special:RecentChanges, Special:Watchlist, etc. to show only these changes: > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?tagfilter=proposal-status-changed> > > and you can click the "Atom" link in the sidebar to get a feed to add to Wow that's actually quite cool (and something I was looking for just recently)! Thanks!! That should come handy, especially when proponents forget to notify mailing list about voting being started. (Bug report/caveat for others: when removing filters (e.g. "Non-minor"), the RSS link does not update automatically, one needs to take care to manually refresh page before clicking on RSS link.) > This isn't quite what either of us are envisioning, and I personally > don't consider RSS feeds to replace that human touch. But it could make > it easier for some of us to keep track of proposals. If the feed gets > noisy, let me know and I can tighten up the abuse filter's rules. Another idea, perhaps there could be some (read-only?) Discourse category which is automatically subscribed to that RSS, so people following that Discourse category would get automatic announcements of new Proposals / changes? That might alleviate (at least some) of the concerns of non-technically inclined persons (who might find RSS as complicated as mailing list)? -- Opinions above are GNU-copylefted. _______________________________________________ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
