On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 05:05, Kevin Kenny <kevin.b.ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > At the higher levels of difficulty, the page focuses on mountain > hazards. There's no consideration for slippery or unstable bog > bridging, stream crossings (rock-hop or ford: and how deep or > fast-moving is the water?); deep mud or quicksand, likelihood of > encroaching vegetation, or beaver activity. All of these present > objective hazards (falls, drowning, hypothermia) that come into > assessing a trail's level of difficulty and danger. > > At the higher grades, there is a lot of assessment of snow and ice > conditions. Is there a way to tag seasonally-varying conditions? > The Australians are similarly confused - even the so-called Australian > Alps are subalpine. > Thanks for your very detailed breakdown, Kevin! Totally agree that our "mountains" wouldn't even get a second glance in most areas of the world, & even in them, in winter, there is only a very limited amount of cross-country skiing or walking happening. You mentioned that every year, you have people die of exposure. We have exactly the same problem here but the cause is the exact opposite - heat! Every year, we have people die while walking / hiking due to being unprepared for the conditions, then suffering heat exhaustion & eventually dieing of thirst :-( How do we map a trail tag to include " Users require previous experience in the outdoors and a high level of specialised skills such as navigation skills. Users will generally require a map and navigation equipment to complete the track. Users need to be self-reliant, particularly in regard to emergency first aid and possible weather hazards." or "Take enough water, food, equipment & first aid supplies - At least 2L of water per person - Waterproof and windproof clothing to keep you warm - Plenty of food and snacks - Hat and sunscreen - Topographic map and compass (know how to use them) plus download the NSW National Parks app <https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/app>. - Matches and a torch - First aid kit - Insect repellent - Your mobile phone or a satellite phone. Download the Emergency+ <https://emergencyapp.triplezero.gov.au> app before you go. - A Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) to use as a last resort" No, they're not really an OSM problem, but we should have some way of marking that track / trail as potentially hazardous. Thanks Graeme
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