> If you scroll down a bit, you'll find a map that shows that Pine St between 4th & 5th Ave's is a "shared street without markings": https://www.citylab.com/solutions/2015/03/6-places-where-cars-bikes-and-pedestrians-all-share-the-road-as-equals/388351/ which I guess should possibly be tagged in OSM as a highway=living_street?
The language on the SDOT page is very confusing! It's solely about bicycles not having their own lanes and having to share space with cars, not about pedestrians. For the CityLab page, that living street is several blocks away on Bell St closer to 1st and 2nd. It's possible something has recently changed, but I believe Pine is not a shared / a "living street" between 4th and 5th. > Not in iD! > If you put in a crossing=marked than add that it has traffic signals, then it immediately changes to a crossing=unmarked! That does seem like a problem, though I'd suggest that if this tag were adopted it'd be an easy fix on iD! As of the status quo, what should happen when there are pedestrian signals re: markings is effectively undefined, despite opinions on the mailing list. With something like crossing:signals, tags for markings would never conflict with tags for signals. Best, Nick On Sun, May 19, 2019 at 11:46 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:53, Nick Bolten <nbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, this is a late addition to this thread (I'll start a new >> one soon after I improve the proposal page), but I want to give an example >> of a crossing that has lights but no markings that is traversed by >> (guessing) thousands of people per day: >> https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=0fa511ff-b1e5-4011-b16c-d96c0c4ce8a5&cp=47.611664~-122.336542&lvl=19&dir=251.4678&pi=-22.174986&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027. >> Despite having a lot of interesting art, there is no way to distinguish the >> crossing location from non-crossing locations via markings on the ground. >> > > That's an interesting one! > > Thought at first that it may have been a diagonal crossing > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_scramble, but after a bit more > searching found this: > > https://www.seattle.gov/transportation/projects-and-programs/programs/bike-program/protected-bike-lanes/pike-pine-mobility-improvements > > > If you scroll down a bit, you'll find a map that shows that Pine St > between 4th & 5th Ave's is a "shared street without markings": > > https://www.citylab.com/solutions/2015/03/6-places-where-cars-bikes-and-pedestrians-all-share-the-road-as-equals/388351/ > which I guess should possibly be tagged in OSM as a highway=living_street? > > So, you're sort of correct in that there are no defined markings, but also > sort of wrong because the pretty artwork are actually markings to show that > there are no markings! > > This is topical, as crossing=traffic_signals is often claimed to imply >> crossing=marked. >> > > Not in iD! > > If you put in a crossing=marked than add that it has traffic signals, then > it immediately changes to a crossing=unmarked! > > Thanks > > Graeme > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >
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