On Mon, 20 May 2019 at 15:53, Nick Bolten <nbol...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello everyone, this is a late addition to this thread (I'll start a new > one soon after I improve the proposal page), but I want to give an example > of a crossing that has lights but no markings that is traversed by > (guessing) thousands of people per day: > https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=0fa511ff-b1e5-4011-b16c-d96c0c4ce8a5&cp=47.611664~-122.336542&lvl=19&dir=251.4678&pi=-22.174986&style=x&mo=z.0&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027. > Despite having a lot of interesting art, there is no way to distinguish the > crossing location from non-crossing locations via markings on the ground. >
That's an interesting one! Thought at first that it may have been a diagonal crossing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_scramble, but after a bit more searching found this: https://www.seattle.gov/transportation/projects-and-programs/programs/bike-program/protected-bike-lanes/pike-pine-mobility-improvements If you scroll down a bit, you'll find a map that shows that Pine St between 4th & 5th Ave's is a "shared street without markings": https://www.citylab.com/solutions/2015/03/6-places-where-cars-bikes-and-pedestrians-all-share-the-road-as-equals/388351/ which I guess should possibly be tagged in OSM as a highway=living_street? So, you're sort of correct in that there are no defined markings, but also sort of wrong because the pretty artwork are actually markings to show that there are no markings! This is topical, as crossing=traffic_signals is often claimed to imply > crossing=marked. > Not in iD! If you put in a crossing=marked than add that it has traffic signals, then it immediately changes to a crossing=unmarked! Thanks Graeme
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