lanes:forward and lanes:backward is definitely correct here. No need to make a whole new tag for it, and I really don't see how it's too tedious to map this way (plus adding something like hgv:lanes:forward=no|designated for the situation).
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:12 AM Dave Swarthout <daveswarth...@gmail.com> wrote: > Kevin wrote: > > lanes:forward=* and lanes:backward=* is the best that I've found so > >far to describe truck climbing lanes and similar features. They don't > >appear in your image to be grade-separated, so they don't need to be > >separate ways - one way for each section of the road, with appropriate > >lanes:forward and lanes:backward appears to describe what's on the ground. > > That's what I had been doing previously and I know this would be "correct" > but it's so tedious to split and classify the highway lanes. I was looking > for a shorter, easier method. > > Warin suggests passing_lane but I'm not wanting to start pushing > another new tag out there. Even that tagging scenario will require > additional tags (e.g., direction) to distinguish such a passing_lane from > the other lanes, or one would have to draw a separate "lane" the way I did > it in the example. > > I noticed a comment in another thread about the old directive "don't map > for the renderer". The poster suggests that we must either map for the > renderer in cases where routing is concerned so that our work is useful > somewhere down the line, or else convince someone to provide routing > support. Does anyone know if any of the more popular applications consider > the "passing_place" or "passing_places" tags when determining routing? > > Thanks for the responses, > > Dave > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 5:55 AM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 25/08/18 10:17, Dave Swarthout wrote: >> > I've been trying to decide tagging for slow-vehicle turnouts >> > consisting of a lane added to the right side (in the U.S.) of the road >> > so that slow moving vehicles can pull aside to allow following >> > vehicles to pass. The best I can come up with is the tag >> > highway=passing_place but strangely it applies only to nodes. I'm >> > looking for examples from the real world similar to the one in this >> > JOSM screenshot. I've selected both the passing lanes to color them >> > red so you can see them. >> > >> Passing place .. I know them from Scotland - on a single lane road (two >> way) if; >> you come up behind a slow moving vehicle they are supposed to pull in to >> the next 'passing place' and let you by, >> you see an oncoming vehicle you are supposed to pull into the next >> passing place .. unless the oncoming vehicle gets into one. >> >> Of course the actual road rules may be different from my observations .. >> but for a practical perspective that is the behaviour I have observed. >> >> Passing places have barely enough room for one vehicle towing a caravan. >> They are not that long. And you actually have to come to a complete stop >> in them .. too short to do anything else. >> I have followed a slow moving vehicle for some distance .. going by a >> few 'passing places' with no pulling over. >> And I have come across oncoming vehicles where I have pulled off the >> road risking getting bogged as there were no convent passing places >> available. >> >> > I had been using a variable number of lanes to describe the situation >> > but these two passing_places are offset making using the lanes tags >> > cumbersome to apply, 4 separate pieces, lanes going in different >> > directions, oneway sections, etc. According to the Wiki, the >> > passing_place tag is to be used only on nodes. >> > (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpassing_place) Why >> > this should be so, I do not understand. >> > >> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/p4g4t7mk6e4161l/passing_place.jpg?dl=0 >> > >> > What alternatives do I have? >> >> Make a new tag. >> passing_lane? >> >> In some instances here the traffic is directed into the side lanes, with >> one centre land for passing... >> a danger here is with opposing traffic where opposing people want to pass. >> I take the chicken view - if there is opposing traffic that I cannot see >> around then I will not take that centre lane. >> This centre lane might also be termed a 'passing lane'. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tagging mailing list >> Tagging@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging >> > > > -- > Dave Swarthout > Homer, Alaska > Chiang Mai, Thailand > Travel Blog at http://dswarthout.blogspot.com > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging > -- —Albert Pundt
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