Having two *=platform tags per bus/tram stop doesn't make public transport
tagging more straightforward in my opinion.
Either PTv1 + line variants or PTv2 - stop position + waiting area seems to
achieve this goal better.
On Saturday, March 31, 2018, Johnparis <ok...@johnfreed.com> wrote:
> I independently reached a conclusion similar to Jo's. No need for a
> separate tag; the difference is made clear when you look at whether it's a
> node, way or area. And there are lots of optional tags to indicate
> structural elements like benches, shelters, tactile pavement, etc.
>
> I don't usually go beyond platform nodes, but if others have tagged
> wait-point ways/areas as public_transport=platform (or highway=platform, or
> even highway=pedestrian), I let them be.
>
> The conclusion I'm reaching (for bus routes, anyhow) is that only platform
> nodes should be included in the relations (along with the ways that
> comprise the routes). In particular, platforms that are ways or areas
> should not be included in the relations, nor should stop positions. (All of
> these could be included in stop area relations.)
>
> This implies the following changes to v2:
>
> 1) every platform node should have mandatory {mode}=yes tag(s)
> 2) stop_positions should be optional on the map and should not be included
> in the route relations
>
> I'm inclined to agree with the wiki that the v1 tags on nodes should
> remain (including the two million highway=bus_stop tags).
>
> I don't really see a big advantage in changing the value of the v2 tag
> from public_transport=platform to something like public_transport=wait_area
> (and there are about one million public_transport=platform tags at the
> moment).
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> highway=platform and railway=platform on a WAY or an AREA are perfectly
>> fine tags for such platforms, where they exist. Until about a year ago I
>> was also adding public_transport=platform to these ways, but as it creates
>> confusion with the platform NODES, which as far as I am concerned represent
>> the bus and tram stops, I stopped doing that.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/PT_Assistan
>> t/Mapping_Public_Transport_with_JOSM
>>
>> Jo
>>
>> 2018-03-31 9:23 GMT+02:00 Selfish Seahorse <selfishseaho...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Is public_transport=platform now about the structure or the function?
>>>
>>> If it is about the function, then we need a separate tag for the
>>> platform structure.
>>>
>>> If it is about the structure, then we should decide to either map the
>>> sidewalk or public_transport=platform (depending on how we define a
>>> platform). Otherwise, we say that there are two physical structures,
>>> which is wrong.
>>>
>>> On 30 March 2018 at 19:41, "Christian Müller" <cmu...@gmx.de> wrote:
>>> >> Gesendet: Freitag, 30. März 2018 um 11:06 Uhr
>>> >> Von: "Selfish Seahorse" <selfishseaho...@gmail.com>
>>> >> An: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" <
>>> tagging@openstreetmap.org>
>>> >> Betreff: Re: [Tagging] Still RFC — Drop stop positions and platforms
>>> >>
>>> >> I wouldn't call a sidewalk a platform, especially because the waiting
>>> >> area on the sidewalk often isn't clearly delimited. Furthermore,
>>> >> double tagging doesn't work if the sidewalk is called 'X Road' and the
>>> >> bus stop 'Y Square'.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > If a sidewalk _functions_ as a platform, than you can indeed call that
>>> > part of the sidewalk a platform, depending on which role of the area
>>> > you are currently talking about. This is time-dependent:
>>> >
>>> > If lots of people are standing and waiting on that sidewalk for a
>>> > vehicle to arrive, it will be easier for you to see why this is (also)
>>> > a platform, than e.g. at night time without a PT service serving the
>>> > halt.
>>> >
>>> > A thing as simple as a box may be used as a table or chair. This is
>>> > the same thing here. You have a physical structure that is so simple
>>> > that it may function as a platform or a sidewalk, depending on current
>>> > use.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Greetings
>>> > cmuelle8
>>> >
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