I'm guess I've misunderstood as Ps.51 shows the wrong alignment between Hebrew and English for the first two verses... What are these "translation facilities currently designed in the engine"? Chris
On 4 July 2013 16:24, Chris Burrell <ch...@burrell.me.uk> wrote: > I'm afraid, I'm not sure I follow. The screenshot looks ok, but then I > don't read Greek or Hebrew so I don't really know. > > Are you saying Sword already has translation from 1 versification to > another transparently, by " the v11n translation facilities currently > designed in the engine"? From previous threads, I thought that was one > major thing that was still being worked on. So you already do have all the > mappings to convert from one versification to another? > > I'm confused! > > Chris > > > > On 4 July 2013 16:02, Troy A. Griffitts <scr...@crosswire.org> wrote: > >> Hi guys. The questions that need answers in this thread are logically >> complex and are one of the reasons we haven't finalized any additions to >> the core SWORD library to support this-- though I greatly appreciate the >> contributions made by Костя. >> >> Take, for example our standard 4 Bible web display preset for "OT >> Scholar", at Daniel chapter 3, around veres 23: >> >> http://crosswire.org/study/**parallelstudy.jsp?del=all&add=** >> NASB&add=WLC&add=KJV&add=LXX&**key=Dan.3.23#cv<http://crosswire.org/study/parallelstudy.jsp?del=all&add=NASB&add=WLC&add=KJV&add=LXX&key=Dan.3.23#cv> >> >> How should this look? >> >> The problem, for the uninitiated, is that The Prayer of Azariah and the >> Song of the Three Jews in the LXX is inserted between what we traditionally >> think of as verses 23 and 24. This makes verse 24 in the KJV very different >> content than what should be verse 24 in the LXX (our current LXX displayed >> from the link above does not include Apocryphal content)-- verse 24 in the >> LXX being the first part of the Apocryphal content, thus verse 91 in the >> LXX picking back up where verse 24, in say the NASB (without the apocryphal >> insertion), continues. >> >> The web interface above always displays in windows of 1 chapter. Thus the >> user has asked for Chapter 3 of Daniel, centered on verse 23. >> >> There are a few questions to answer. >> >> What if they had asked for verse 24? >> >> What content do we show? >> >> Use case: The user is a protestant pastor, has chosen NASB as his primary >> Bible, and is interested in seeing the parallel verses to the NASB in the >> other texts. He is not interested in seeing apocryphal insertions. He >> primarily cares about the NASB and only glances at the content from the >> other modules when interested in seeing the parallel. >> >> This is how the web frontend, and all current SWORD based frontends >> *should* currently work with no code changes, with the v11n translation >> facilities currently designed in the engine. It uses the first module as >> the "master" and iterated its key and pulls the equivalent verses from the >> other modules. The current facility in the engine allows for: >> >> lxx->setKey(nasb->getKey()) >> >> resulting in the LXX being positioned to the equivalent verse (e.g., v91 >> from nasb v24)-- if translation tables (for example from Костя) were in >> place. >> >> But this use case, while likely the most dominant, is not the most >> scholarly. A scholar would likely wish to see a *superset* of all verses >> from all displayed parallel Bibles, inserting gaps where they should go in >> the other text which do not contain the verses. >> >> Not too hard to imagine, but what is the programmer-friendly API >> interface for this? Harder to imagine. You can't simply choose one of the >> modules to iterate. >> Possibly: >> >> ListKey superset; >> superset << kjv->getKey() << nasb->getKey() << lxx->getKey() << >> wlc->getKey(); >> >> then one could iterate the superset listkey. >> >> This would leave the work of figuring out where the gaps should go up to >> ListKey, or something in the translation system in VerseKey which backs >> ListKey. >> >> It's a complex problem, but we haven't even talked about the issue of >> reordered content. Sometime Romans 16:25-27a (obviously excluding the >> subscriptio) is located after Romans 14:23. This is an example of >> reordering. It doesn't give problems from our "chapter window display" >> because the reordering is across different chapters and you could still >> pick your poison from the 2 choices above for display logic, but what about >> display windows which allow more than a single chapter, like BibleDesktop? >> Now the question arises. If you've chosen to build a superset, where do the >> gaps go? You could reasonably add them to either place (after Romans 14:23 >> in the modules which don't include the doxology here or after Romans 16:24 >> for modules which don't include the doxology here). How do you decide? How >> should the program decide? >> >> Lot's of questions and input we all need to give and a working proof of >> concept for at least a single frontend before we commit to something for >> everyone to use in the engine. >> >> Obviously not a 1.7.x issue, but feel free to continue to give input. >> >> Troy >> >> >> >> On 07/04/2013 03:26 PM, David Haslam wrote: >> >>> And (for example) if you wish to query the whole of the JPS module using >>> book >>> names, it will not do to specify *Gen-Mal*. >>> >>> You'd need to remember that in the Tanakh, the last book is *II >>> Chronicles*. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://sword-dev.350566.n4.** >>> nabble.com/Versifications-and-**verse-order-tp4652697p4652712.**html<http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/Versifications-and-verse-order-tp4652697p4652712.html> >>> Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >>> http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel> >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >>> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/**mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel> >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page > > >
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