Just a question on this? We're talking about TEI being a format that Sword supports. Is that also supported by JSword? I thought as far as I could see it only supported OSIS, but then I'm not really familiar with the inner working of JSword, or Sword for that matter...
Chris On 28 April 2010 12:48, Daniel Owens <dhow...@pmbx.net> wrote: > David, > > Sorry, TEI is an XML schema that SWORD uses for lexicons. I expect it will > be fairly straightforward to convert from OSIS to TEI, but I will need some > time first. I have two classes to teach and a paper to complete before then. > :) > > I don't think we need extra permission. I can ask David to clarify the > copyright status of his corrections, but typically OpenScriptures data is > released under a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license (check > out the footer of (http://openscriptures.org/). But I think (based on my > amateur understanding) that because Strongs is public domain, it can't be > copyrighted unless you create new content (corrections wouldn't count). But > either way, the data is available for use, and we can double-check with > David in time. > > I am working with David on the morphhb, which is currently a SWORD module. > The module identifyer is OSMHB or Open Scriptures Morphological Hebrew > Bible. Currently the text is all public domain material, but once we start > adding morphology the morphology will be Creative Commons Attribution-Share > Alike. Again, either way it will be licensed in a way fitting for STEP. > > I guess that is a long way of saying, no, no extra permission is needed for > either of these. > > Daniel > > > On 4/28/2010 4:33 AM, David Instone-Brewer wrote: > >> Great, Daniel! >> (To be honest I don't know your acronyms, but I guess you know what you're >> doing). >> >> Do we need extra permission for this? >> The work done by the guys at openscriptures < >> http://github.com/openscriptures> is based on my work, and I certainly >> give permission, >> but they didn't reply to my email asking if they were offering it to PD. >> They also have another very interesting project called "morphhb" >> which appears to be the Leningrad OT tagged with Strongs, in Unicode with >> many corrections. >> - ie all the PD stuff, but with extra corrections and all in tidy XML. >> >> I think David Troidl <davidtro...@aol.com> is the contact but, as I said, >> he declined to reply to me. >> Perhaps I didn't phrase the question properly. Sounds like a job for >> David Haslam's expertise. >> >> David IB >> >> >> On 23 April 2010 20:33, Daniel Owens <dhow...@pmbx.net> wrote: >> >> I may be able to work at it in a few weeks. It will need to be transformed >> into TEI for SWORD. I am not so strong on XSLT, so if anyone with better >> skills there would take this on it would go more quickly. >> >> Daniel >> >> On 4/23/2010 2:03 PM, David Instone-Brewer wrote: >>> >>> Sword have a good Hebrew lexicon based on Strongs (corrected >>> by me), but I don't know where such things are stored. >>> The guys at openscriptures < >>> http://github.com/openscriptures> have added several more >>> corrections to my corrections, and produced a tidy XML package, >>> >>> downloadable at >>> http://github.com/openscriptures/strongs/downloads >>> Could this be converted into a replacement Sword module by >>> someone? >>> >>> David IB >>> >>> At 19:45 23/04/2010, Chris Burrell wrote: >>> >>> Hi Daniel >>> >>> I think to start with we really need a Strong-tagged >>> hebrew sword module and if possible with the morphology >>> in it. That would help with the classic interlinears and >>> in particular in their accuracy. Perhaps that already >>> exists, but I haven't been able to find it. >>> >>> And then as you say, a good Hebrew lexicon would be a >>> great addition. Hopefully David IB will be able to >>> comment on the best way forward here. We'll need both at >>> some point, so either would be good! >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> On 22 April 2010 00:07, Chris Burrell >>> <ch...@burrell.me.uk <mailto:ch...@burrell.me.uk> < >>> mailto:ch...@burrell.me.uk>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Daniel >>> >>> I'm copying David IB from Tyndale House who is part of >>> Tyndale >>> House and leading the data side of the project. >>> >>> A couple of emails have circulated on this previously >>> on our >>> blogs, which I've tried to capture (in part) on >>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-44 >>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP-45 >>> >>> I'm sure David IB will have more to input on this... >>> I've copied >>> his original email below >>> Chris >>> >>> ========================================== >>> THis is the best lookup lexicon to use for Hebrew >>> interlinear - >>> it is tagged to Strongs, includes the pointed Hebrew >>> and has an >>> abbreviated BDB entry. And the version downloadable from >>> http://github.com/openscriptures has even more >>> corrections than >>> mine. For all I know, it might finally be letter >>> perfect! THis >>> version is also packaged in nice XML which can easily be >>> converted to any other DB format. >>> >>> The equivalent lexicon at Crosswire for Greek is, I >>> think, in a >>> much better state, and didn't need all the work the >>> Hebrew did. >>> >>> The version of the tagged OT text at >>> http://github.com/openscriptures is also in very good >>> condition >>> (prob better than the one at Crosswire). It appears to >>> only >>> contain PD data - ie it doesn't include the more complete >>> morphology data which is copyrighted. >>> >>> David IB >>> >>> >>> >>> On 21 April 2010 23:22, Daniel Owens <dhow...@pmbx.net >>> <mailto:dhow...@pmbx.net> >>> < mailto:dhow...@pmbx.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> I am not qualified to contribute code (though I >>> lurk on >>> sword-devel because of my module-creating >>> disposition), but I >>> am involved in producing content for the very >>> purpose you >>> mention. By the way, if you are at Tyndale House >>> now, you may >>> know Daniel Block. He is my PhD mentor at Wheaton >>> College. >>> >>> There are two content areas with which I am >>> involved and >>> would be happy to collaborate on. One is Greek and >>> Hebrew >>> lexica. Currently at www.textonline.org >>> <http://www.textonline.org> >>> < http://www.textonline.org <http://www.textonline.org/>> >>> >>> we are involved in >>> >>> collaboratively producing a modern replacement for >>> Strongs. >>> We're starting with a Strongs base but hope to >>> provide a >>> basic and up-to-date modern equivalent to Holladay >>> for Hebrew >>> or Newman for Greek, except that they will be >>> released under >>> a creative commons license. The challenge is >>> finding people >>> to contribute quality entries with little or no >>> possibility >>> of accolades in the guild of biblical studies (and >>> certainly >>> no money!). The other project is a collaboratively >>> produced >>> morphologically tagged Hebrew text (see >>> www.OpenScriptures.org <http://www.OpenScriptures.org> < >>> http://www.OpenScriptures.org >>> <http://www.openscriptures.org/>>). For >>> >>> >>> that we are looking at Django and Pinax as the >>> applications >>> for collaborating on putting together the data. >>> For me, the >>> purpose of this is to fill a void of content for >>> SWORD in >>> order to serve the global church. >>> >>> I notice that full-text lexicons are part of the >>> second phase >>> of your plan. Is there any way we can begin to >>> collaborate on >>> that? I am open to your suggestions. >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> On 4/21/2010 2:07 PM, Chris Burrell wrote: >>> >>> *What is Tyndale STEP?* >>> >>> Tyndale STEP is an offline and online Java web >>> application which aims to make ancient texts >>> and maps as >>> well as timeline data, genealogies, ... >>> accessible to >>> everyone, scholar and non-scholar alike, so >>> that the >>> Bible is illuminated by its full ancient >>> context. [see >>> roadmap below]. Tyndale House will also >>> distribute the >>> online version to pastors in the third world, >>> who often >>> can’t afford commercial Bible software. >>> >>> A wiki page has been set up here: >>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep which has >>> a lot more information! >>> >>> *Who are we looking for?* >>> We need lots of help! >>> • *Java developers*: this code base is mainly >>> in Java so >>> we can do with all the help we can get! >>> • *User Interface designers*: there is >>> currently a sketch >>> of the user interface, created more to prove a >>> point. We >>> need proper guidance to make the software as user >>> friendly and rich as possible >>> • *Data harvesters*: Tyndale House could do >>> with a few >>> extra pairs of hands to helpcollate the data >>> and make it >>> available to the wider CrossWire community >>> >>> *How do I start?* >>> • Get in touch! >>> • Read through the wiki page: >>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep >>> • Build the code from: >>> >>> http://crosswire.org/wiki/Frontends:TyndaleStep_Build_Environment >>> • Check out our feature/bug repository: >>> http://crosswire.org/bugs/browse/TYNSTEP >>> • Have a look at the proof of concept sketches at >>> http://crosswire.org:8080/~chrisburrell/ >>> <http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> >>> < http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> < >>> http://crosswire.org:8080/%7Echrisburrell/> (including >>> timelines and interlinears on strong-tagged >>> Bibles) >>> >>> • Peruse the blogs mentioned on the wiki to >>> get a feel >>> for the data and programming >>> >>> As you can see, there’s plenty to do! >>> >>> *What does the roadmap look like?* >>> >>> */1st phase: build a multi-platform structure for >>> standard Bible-study tools:/* >>> • Bible texts, including original languages, >>> translations >>> and interlinears >>> • Language aids, including lookup-dictionaries >>> concordance searches >>> • History tools, including an expandable >>> timeline with >>> scripture links >>> • Dictionary articles, culled from various >>> sources and edited >>> */ >>> /* >>> */2nd phase: add detailed geographic, historic & >>> linguistic data/* >>> • Gazetteer of all named places, with short >>> articles and >>> links to pictures >>> • Co-ordinates of identifiable places to >>> GoogleEarth >>> • Map overlays of high-ref 1:20,000 maps of >>> pre-urbanised >>> Palestine >>> • Flexible timelines which can be altered at >>> key points >>> of uncertainty >>> • Full-text lexicons linked to the lookup >>> dictionaries in >>> tagged texts >>> >>> */3rd phase: add translation aids and links to >>> modern >>> publications/* >>> • different possible translations for words >>> and passages >>> • differences in manuscripts, with evidence >>> for each variant >>> • expositions in modern and older >>> commentaries, articles >>> and books >>> >>> */4th phase: adds link to extra-biblical >>> literature with >>> searching:/* >>> • search other ancient literature for similar >>> passages in >>> a similar context >>> • look up Greek and Hebrew words in other >>> ancient literature >>> • view ancient texts with translations where >>> possible >>> >>> These tools will put centuries of research >>> into the hands >>> of non-scholars. When the information is laid >>> open like >>> this, it is easy to see that the Bible is well >>> preserved >>> and translated, reflecting historical events >>> in real >>> places, and dealing with issues current in the >>> ancient >>> and modern work alike. >>> >>> If you have any more questions or want to get >>> involved, >>> please do let me know! >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> sword-devel mailing list: >>> sword-devel@crosswire.org <mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> >>> < mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org> >>> >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your >>> settings at above >>> page >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> jsword-devel mailing list >>> jsword-de...@crosswire.org >>> <mailto:jsword-de...@crosswire.org> >>> >>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org >> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel >> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >> > > _______________________________________________ > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page >
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