Hey Søren, Seconding DBAP. I worked on an installation with ~18 embedded speakers, all pointing outward, irregularly spaced, and at different heights. I tested various panning methods and ended up with DBAP as it sounded the best and was most consistent. If your sound objects move, I’d also recommend adding a slight Doppler shift. I typically like to call an outward pointing speaker set as a "divergent" speaker set, and traditional surround configurations as "convergent".
I also found that having an additional set of traditional convergent speakers outside the divergent speaker set can be extremely helpful in creating a foreground-background dichotomy. Where the outer convergent set has minimal “environmental” sounds and the divergent set has the "foreground" sounds. You could also (just ever so slightly) pan a sound between the convergent and divergent set in a given region to create even more envelopment. I don't have enough experience with some of the commonly available software to provide any suggestions. I used C++, along with allolib <https://github.com/AlloSphere-Research-Group/allolib>/allosystem <https://github.com/AlloSphere-Research-Group/AlloSystem>, Gamma <https://github.com/LancePutnam/Gamma>, and an audio-graph library <https://github.com/akshay1992/Lithe> that I wrote a while back. Good luck! -Akshay Cadambi On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 09:26 Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the feedback. I feel more reassured. > > Spat can do DBAP, and I´m waitng for an answer from Flux regarding speaker > configuration. > > I think it wold be ideal to make the right set up, but I could be theory > only - Don´t know - I wil make som tests next week. > > > > I´m on a tight schedule, so learning new software is a challenge, but I > will look into it. > > > > Best regards > > Søren > > > > > Den 3. okt. 2020 kl. 11.23 skrev Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > in which you CAN tell the software where the speakers are and ideally in > > > which direction they are facing. > > > > > > On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 10:20, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> just to elaborate with an example - I once had to pan a sound around an > > >> octagon of speakers "facing outward" - using a normal octaphonic panner > > >> worked with this just as well as if the speakers had been facing inward > - > > >> because basically the software doesn't know where you've put speakers- > it > > >> just uses panning laws to pan sounds from one speaker to the next, you > just > > >> need to play around with speaker positions/directivty/panning law etc . > I > > >> even used an octaphonic panner in which the software thought the > speakers > > >> were in a nice circle - to pan a sound round a part of a maze once. You > > >> just have to watch your panning law/speaker positions so there's not too > > >> many holes in the panning - and make sure you're not trying to pan > "across > > >> the circle" as obviously if your speakers are not in a circle it will > lead > > >> to unpredictable results. This is a workaround - obviously some form of > > >> special DBAP software is preferred. > > >> > > >> On Sat, 3 Oct 2020 at 09:35, Augustine Leudar < > augustineleu...@gmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi I do these kinds of things all the time - far more than ambisonics > in > > >>> fact basically you want to use Dbap or just any form of amplitude > panning. > > >>> You could try using ICST in max msp which allows you to draw a map of > the > > >>> sp[eakers, adjust directivity and then pan the sound around said map, > or > > >>> you could try Immersive DSPs Immergo system which will allow you to > do a > > >>> similar thing with certain soundcards, I believe Spat has this > capability > > >>> too. If Learning this software is too much for your time schedule you > can > > >>> use normal surround sound panners in a way that they're not strictly > meant > > >>> to be used. For example a normal quadraphonic panner will still pan a > sound > > >>> up and down a straight line of 4 speakers instead of a square if you > put > > >>> the speakers in a straight line instead of a square etc etc > > >>> all the best > > >>> Gus > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, 2 Oct 2020 at 22:30, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi Surround group > > >>>> For my next exhibition sounddesign I need to make to set ups that is > > >>>> causing me some concern > > >>>> one set up is 4 speakers, another is 6 speakers (but are only feeded > by > > >>>> 4 channels of sound) > > >>>> BUT for both set ups the speakers are point away from center. > > >>>> The speakers are arranged in a circle, They play out at an angle of > > >>>> approx. 30 - 40 degrees, seen from a horizontal angle, so they point > > >>>> upwards, a bit. Hope this is understandable. > > >>>> > > >>>> I usually work in reaper + Spat Revolution when I have to make "crazy" > > >>>> configurations, but this one I can not get drawn in spat R and I do > not > > >>>> immediately know a program that can do such a set up. Next week I > have to > > >>>> experiment with a similar high-pitched line-up - and think that I > might > > >>>> just have to produce directly. > > >>>> I will try quad format first and see/hear what happens... > > >>>> > > >>>> One of the set ups is a Mammuth standing in a river. 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