On 05/03/2011 01:21 AM, Stefan Schreiber wrote:
in my experience, first-order horizontal over eight speakers is slightly
but noticeably worse in the sweet spot than six, so not recommended for
homes if you seldom if ever listen to third order material.


Ah... I thought this was a "well-established fact" in the scientific
community?!

the general fact that you shouldn't use much more speakers than necessary, yes. i mentioned this because of an old ambisonic myth that stated "the more speakers, the better", which is demonstrably wrong.

"In my experience" is another thing, though. Anecdotical evidence, not
more or less.

those "slightly more speakers than necessary" cases are a bit tricky... first order over a 24 hemisphere is horrible, as is first order over three stacked octagons. horizontal first order over eight is not that much of a problem, but noticeable.

the most striking experience of horizontal first-order degradation over eight speakers was in the sala bianca in parma, using virtual ambisonic speakers on their wfs system. fons demo'ed ambi rendering, and we switched between six and eight sources.

i'm sorry to muddy the clear and abundant spring of rigourous ambisonic evaluation with my shoddy anecdotal evidence and promise to either chase 50 subjects through a bullet-proof listening test before speaking (like everyone here), or shut up forthwith. ;)

for larger audiences, the game seems to be a bit different, although i
don't quite understand why.
Maybe the decoder is different?

Don't get me wrong, but sometimes it is productive to pull someone's
leg... O:-)

well pulled, but no, the decoder was identical.

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