Taylor, thanks. Essentially the drawing is what I have been using. Junction of 
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elevation changes, I will use the dead end reading technique for a looped main, 
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> From:   cw bamford  <[email protected]>
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> NFPA 291 from 2022 Fire Pump Handbook    4.4.6 I have used Google Earth Pro   
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> Change between hydrant(s)) Hose Monster has a Good 8 page PDF on Hydrant Flow 
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