Todd,

The effective point is initially the static/residual hydrant and not the 
flowing hydrant.   Idea - flow water past the S/R hydrant.   A little math can 
change that back to the flowing hydrant, but to do that you need the location 
of the S/R hydrant and a basic understanding of the water system.  You are 
correct in beginning with the perspective the effective point is the 
intersection of the water main and hydrant leg.  Be aware, there are other 
considerations of how well-gridded or not-gridded the system is.  When water 
purveyors are only willing to provide the location of the flowing hydrant and 
not much else, it may mean the agency did a single hydrant flow test which 
complicates the matter.  Good sources are, NFPA 291, NFPA 13 and if you are 
willing M17 from the American WaterWorks Association.

Shawn Shepherd, PE
Seattle Fire Department


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NFPA 291
from 2022 Fire Pump Handbook
4.4.6

I have used Google Earth Pro
It has Elevation  (not perfect  but close and you can get elevation Change 
between hydrant(s))

Hose Monster has a Good 8 page PDF on
Hydrant Flow Testing

Chuck Bamford



On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 5:29 AM Fpdcdesign 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
What is the effective point of a hydrant flow test? By that, I mean the point 
you should design from. I was told from the beginning that it is at the 
intersection of flowing and non-flowing water (i.e the connection between the 
point of the flowing main with the branch to the hydrant where the pressures 
are read.) Am I doing something wrong?

This comes from a test that a regional water company did and they will only 
tell me what hydrant was flowed. It could make a difference because of 
elevation.

Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
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