It is 66' from the highest floor level to the lowest level of fire department access.
Jeff Brickell, CET Senior Estimator/Designer NICET III CERTIFIED CERT #147245 OREGON CERTIFIED COBID FIRM #13272 (EMERGING SMALL BUSINESS) TRIAD FIRE PROTECTION [cid:[email protected]] OREGON . WASHINGTON . ARIZONA OFFICE 503.856.6333 CELL 602.550.4292 FAX 866.766.8862 From: Travis Mack <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 8:05 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Fire Pump Sizing Unless there is an amendment to the building code, you will be at a high rise and automatic standpipe if your top floor is >75' above lowest level of fire department access. Travis Mack, SET M.E.P.CAD | Instructor / Support 181 N. Arroyo Grande Blvd. #105 I Henderson, NV 89074 www.mepcad.com<http://www.mepcad.com/> | m: 480.547.9348| Whatspp: +14805479348 Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> AutoSPRINK | AutoSPRINK FAB | AutoSPRINK RVT | AlarmCAD Academy of Fire Sprinkler Technology | Director, Engineering Technology 101 S Main Street, Suite 001, Decatur, IL 62523 ________________________________ From: Jeff Brickell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 9:02 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Fire Pump Sizing A couple of points here: 1. You do not say where the demand points are located. I have to make assumptions that the garage is probably at the dry valve or whatever system control. Is the 7th floor demand taken at the floor control on the 7th floor? What is the actual demand at the BoR or location close the garage connection? Correct, the garage is served by a dry valve in the fire pump room. The demands are at B.O.R. The 7th floor is a combination standpipe and the demand is at the B.O.R. of the standpipe riser in the fire pump room on level 1. The actual demand is 385 GPM plus the 250 Hose Demand. 2. Are the sprinklers fed from a separate riser or a combination sprinkler/standpipe? Combination sprinkler standpipe on level 7, and separate riser for the dry valve off manifold level 1. 3. If you install a 350 gpm pump on the system, is that going to impact the fire department's ability to pump to the standpipe demand? No, the FDC enters the system after the pump bypass loop and before the (3) riser manifolds. I have a level 1 wet, level 1 dry, and standpipe riser. 4. 7 floors seems like a tall building for a manual wet standpipe. I assume there are at least 2. City of Portland can deliver standpipe demand much higher than 7 stories. I believe their cut-off is around 12. Thank you for your response. Jeff Brickell, CET Senior Estimator/Designer NICET III CERTIFIED CERT #147245 OREGON CERTIFIED COBID FIRM #13272 (EMERGING SMALL BUSINESS) TRIAD FIRE PROTECTION [cid:[email protected]] OREGON . WASHINGTON . ARIZONA OFFICE 503.856.6333 CELL 602.550.4292 FAX 866.766.8862 From: Fpdcdesign <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 7:50 AM To: Discussion list on issues relating to automatic fire sprinklers <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Re: Fire Pump Sizing A couple of points here: 1. You do not say where the demand points are located. I have to make assumptions that the garage is probably at the dry valve or whatever system control. Is the 7th floor demand taken at the floor control on the 7th floor? What is the actual demand at the BoR or location close the garage connection? 2. Are the sprinklers fed from a separate riser or a combination sprinkler/standpipe? 3. If you install a 350 gpm pump on the system, is that going to impact the fire department's ability to pump to the standpipe demand? 4. 7 floors seems like a tall building for a manual wet standpipe. I assume there are at least 2. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080<tel:860-535-2080> (ofc) 860-554-7054<tel:860-554-7054> (fax) 860-608-4559<tel:860-608-4559> (cell) On Nov 19, 2024 at 9:06 AM, <Jeff Brickell<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I have a situation that's unique to me and am looking for some guidance. I have a 7-story building. The first level contains a parking garage with a demand of 635 GPM @ 61 PSI. The municipal supply can meet this demand. The 7th floor has a remote area with a demand of 285 GPM @ 66 PSI, which the municipal supply cannot meet. NFPA 20 says to size a fire pump to meet the greatest demand. If I can meet the level 1 demand without a pump, why would I need to size a fire pump for it? There would be a drastic size reduction if I only had to meet the 7th floor demand. I have reached out to a couple other people, and they have all said I need to size the pump to the garage demand, I am just curious as to why. If the contractor were to tee the underground and bring up a second supply for the first floor only would that be acceptable to then not use a pump? Maybe there is something I'm not considering or thinking of since this is new to me. Any advice, comments welcome, thank you. Jeff Brickell, CET Senior Estimator/Designer NICET III CERTIFIED CERT #147245 OREGON CERTIFIED COBID FIRM #13272 (EMERGING SMALL BUSINESS) TRIAD FIRE PROTECTION [cid:[email protected]] OREGON . WASHINGTON . 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