This actually brings up a good point, a 7 story building any way I can imagine 
slicing it is both a trigger to standpipes and high rise (which rules out 
manual in just about any scenario as I recall).

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Most demanding can be determined by volume or pressure. In your case it would 
be pressure (7th Floor). Am I correct in assuming your standpipe is a manual 
system, not automatic. If the standpipe is automatic, it would be the greater 
demand. 
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Most demanding can be determined by volume or pressure.  In your case it would 
be pressure (7th Floor).  Am I correct in assuming your standpipe is a manual 
system, not automatic.  If the standpipe is automatic, it would be the greater 
demand.



Thank you,

Jackie “JW” Ward
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From: Jeff Brickell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2024 8:06 AM
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Subject: [Sprinklerforum] Fire Pump Sizing

I have a situation that’s unique to me and am looking for some guidance. I have 
a 7-story building. The first level contains a parking garage with a demand of 
635 GPM @ 61 PSI. The municipal supply can meet this demand. The 7th floor has

I have a situation that’s unique to me and am looking for some guidance.

I have a 7-story building.  The first level contains a parking garage with a 
demand of 635 GPM @ 61 PSI.  The municipal supply can meet this demand.

The 7th floor has a remote area with a demand of 285 GPM @ 66 PSI, which the 
municipal supply cannot meet.

NFPA 20 says to size a fire pump to meet the greatest demand.  If I can meet 
the level 1 demand without a pump, why would I need to size a fire pump for it? 
 There would be a drastic size reduction if I only had to meet the 7th floor 
demand.

I have reached out to a couple other people, and they have all said I need to 
size the pump to the garage demand, I am just curious as to why.

If the contractor were to tee the underground and bring up a second supply for 
the first floor only would that be acceptable to then not use a pump?  Maybe 
there is something I’m not considering or thinking of since this is new to me.

Any advice, comments welcome, thank you.


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