Then there are the greasy vapors the taco trucks, times six fast food kitchens are spewing out into an enclosed space. I doubt if the trucks are equipped with any kind of grease scrubbers so the clientele are essentially eating under a giant coking line hood (the roof) that may or may not even be vented.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 7:34 AM Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > First off, it needs to be determined based on the CODE or local ordinance > if this is even allowed. Forget NFPA 13 for the moment. > > The fuel loading within a typical food truck is pretty high considering > the amount of gasoline and propane in each truck. If you look at this > simply from a chemical loading standpoint, Class IB liquids have a limit > based on the Building and Fire codes before you are in an "H" occupancy > even in a sprinklered building. Once you are an "H" occupancy there are > other numerous requirements and limitations related to the building > construction, egress, HVAC, life safety, etc., etc. Access by the public > is not a typical condition of an "H" occupancy. Also consider the normal > firefighting approach for a propane fire is to keep the vessel and > surrounding area cool but let it burn out. That's not a good scenario > within a building. > > So before going any further, I'd recommend that you push back on this and > require whoever dumped this in your lap to hire an architect or FPE to do > an in depth code analysis and have a discussion with the local fire code > authority to see if this is even permissible in this jurisdiction. > > And, no this is nowhere near the same as a parking garage and EH2 would > not be out of the question. It may not even be adequate. Do some Googling > for Food truck fires. They ain't pretty and a fire is the lesser of the > problem. Explosions are a real possibility as well. > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | > [email protected] | www.jacobs.com > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > CONTACT BY: email or MS TEAMS > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Mike Morey via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:16 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: Mike Morey <[email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Food trucks inside a building > > If I, as a non-PE was sticking my neck out on this where it sort of > doesn't belong, I'd have to go with EH-2: "Spaces where shielding of > combustibles is extensive" being the key phrase to me. Parking garage IMHO > is intended for parking a car and leaving it, not using heat/fire producing > equipment inside of it. > > Mike Morey > CFPS 3229 * NICET S.E.T. 123677 > Project Manager * Fire Protection Group > Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company > 7614 Opportunity Drive * Fort Wayne, IN * 46825 direct 260.487.7824 / > cell 260.417.0625 / fax 260.487.7991 email [email protected] > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of Ed Kramer via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 10:07 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: Ed Kramer <[email protected]> > Subject: Food trucks inside a building > > > BE ADVISED - This email originated outside EMCOR. > > > I'm working on a small project (approx. 7,200 sf) that is a > noncombustible structure used for parking operating food trucks indoors. > The plan shows 6 trucks spread out near the perimeter with the middle of > the building open for pedestrian traffic (maybe tables?). > > > > Ordinary Group I hazard (parking garage) seems very inadequate. 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