Whatever the engineer of the record is requiring. See the SFPE position statement 20-1. This is not a simple answer.
The AHJ and insurer should also approve the selection Thanks, John *The above is my opinion and has not been processed as a formal interpretation in accordance with the NFPA Regulations Governing Committee Projects. 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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 3:52 PM Kevin Hall via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > Whatever the designer of record wants. > > Kevin Hall, M.Eng., P.E., ET, CWBSP, PMSFPE > *Coordinator, Engineering and Technical Services* > > *American Fire Sprinkler Association* > p: 214-349-5971 > w: firesprinkler.org > <https://www.facebook.com/firesprinkler.org/> > <https://twitter.com/afsa/status/1039528345367732224> > < > https://www.linkedin.com/company/american-fire-sprinkler-association-afsa-/ > > > <https://www.instagram.com/firesprinklerorg/> > > > *Are you a member with a technical question? * > > Don't forget one of the most valuable resources that American Fire > Sprinkler Association provides is technical reviews from our Engineering & > Technical Services Department. It’s like having an FPE on your staff. Visit > www.firesprinkler.org/interp > < > https://www.firesprinkler.org/WWW/Contacts/Sign_In.aspx?WebsiteKey=3dff22a3-0306-479c-bccc-7aa1986c8ada&LoginRedirect=true&returnurl=/WWW/Technical_Services/Informal_Interpretations/WWW/Informal_Interpret/Member_View.aspx?hkey=8023e65f-a2ad-4465-9920-0f9313a07324 > > > to > submit a question today! > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Whatever the fire official wants. > > > > SL > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kyle.Montgomery <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 12:50 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Spencer Tomlinson <[email protected]>; Steve Leyton < > > [email protected]> > > Subject: RE: Shoe store complications > > > > I would assume that there are tons of these that exist with OH2 sprinkler > > designs. Are there any examples of fires in any of those and information > > about whether the fire was controlled or overwhelmed the sprinklers? If > the > > theory says it should be protected like Group A plastics, but the history > > shows that OH2 has proven sufficient, then what do you do? > > > > -Kyle M > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > > Behalf Of Spencer Tomlinson via Sprinklerforum > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:04 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Spencer Tomlinson <[email protected]>; Steve Leyton < > > [email protected]> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Shoe store complications > > > > I have worked with a very large insurer of mall properties that treats > the > > commodity class of any shoe store as storage of Group A unexpanded > > plastics, at whatever height, etc., that applies. > > > > Spencer Tomlinson, PE > > Owner, Fire Protection Engineer > > > > > > Ph: 316-202-6412 > > Fax: 316-202-2346 > > Cell: 620-955-7293 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> On > > Behalf Of Steve Leyton via Sprinklerforum > > Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 2:59 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Cc: Steve Leyton <[email protected]> > > Subject: Shoe store complications > > > > Has anyone got any experience with design or classification of a discount > > shoe store that displays shoes in 8' shelving units? These are particle > > board, storage to 10', with shoes on attachments to the front of the > > shelving units and densely packed boxes with stock in the shelving. > > Today's shoes can be made of textile or leather uppers, but more and > more > > the inventory is characterized by synthetic materials, often nylon and > > polyester materials. Except for traditional dress shoes that may still > > have wood or leather soles, most shoes have various densities of foam > > layers for inner and middle soles, with rubber outer soles. > > > > Classifying the mix is challenging because of fast inventory turn-over, > > especially the discount chains. Not all are using the taller fixtures, > > but many do and we've got fire officials asking for protection of stored > > plastics. I can't really impeach that finding since the stores aren't > able > > to state equivocally what shoes will be in stock at any time. We're > > assessing a format that's moving into a retail shell that was a > Walgreen's > > store and will now be discount shoes with the aforementioned 10' of > storage > > and a 25' deck height (an existing mezzanine is being demolished so roof > is > > high for a standalone retail pad). 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