NFPA 13, 2019 edition section A.4.3.2(16) lists unused attics as light
hazard.  That said, it's always better to consider the definition of the
hazard as opposed to automatically applying the lists from the annex.
Section 4.3.2 defines LH as spaces with low quantity and combustibility of
contents. And of course, Table 10.2.4.2.1(a) will dictate the spacing of
standard sprinklers in the LH space, depending on the construction and
whether obstructed or not.  Unless you (and the AHJ) believe the plywood
adds to the combustibility, there is a solid case for LH design in the
unoccupied attic.

Just my thoughts

Bob Caputo

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Maybe I wasn't clear, this is an existing unsprinklered building attached
to a sprinklered building at a firewall.  I presume when constructed it
was per code.  The intent is to add fire protection at the request of an
insurance company.  All areas would be protected as stated, my concern is
whether or not a traditional light hazard attic design is appropriate for
the space above the plywood ceiling given that it's a plastic storage
warehouse below.

Mike Morey
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Project Manager * Fire Protection Group
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No building size is indicated. Does the building code require protection?

Plastic storage may be considered a high hazard.
If protection is a code requirement then the attic requires protection.
Without protection a fire in the attic will likely cause a total loss of
the building and contents.

Art Tiroly

ATCO Fire Protection


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Subject: Attic protection over a storage occupancy

Applicable code/standards would be IBC 2012 and its references (NFPA 13
2010
mainly) I'm not coming up with a "why not" for this, but it doesn't give
me a warm fuzzy.  I have a wood framed "pole barn" being used for plastic
storage in racks.  The building is a standard 4:12 wood truss building
with plywood sheathing at the bottom of the trusses (with a layer of
fiberglass batts on them above) creating a flat ceiling at 18' AFF, walls
are exposed 2x construction with fiberglass batts.  I can't come up with a
reason I can't protect the space below the plywood according to the
storage requirements (looking at .6/2600 dry system, rack storage of Gp A
plastic to 20' max <5' clear, doing CMDA both because they barely have 18"
clear and they want a dry system) and the space above as an unused light
hazard attic, potentially with "back to back" style attic heads.  Anyone
see a flaw with this logic, or any other pitfalls to watch for due to this
construction scenario?  I don't love this scenario but the customer went
out of their way to avoid sprinklering the building
  origina  lly and built it to the bottom dollar, but now a new insurance
carrier may require it to be protected.

Mike Morey
CFPS 3229 * NICET S.E.T. 123677
Project Manager * Fire Protection Group
Shambaugh & Son, LP an EMCOR Company
7614 Opportunity Drive * Fort Wayne, IN * 46825 direct 260.487.7824 /
cell
260.417.0625 /  fax 260.487.7991 email [email protected]



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