Folks:

This is from the SpamAssassin FAQ:

" If you run sa-learn on a mail folder that includes messages with the
SpamAssassin markup (X-Spam-Status headers, "real" message encapsulated as a
message/rfc822 MIME part, Subject header tagged etc.), it'll automatically
remove the markup on the fly. "

So, the question breaks down to whether Harri's processing of the spam email
being learned 

1) keeps its X-Spam-Status flag and 
2) has the original message "encapsulated as a message/rfc822 MIME part".

I've looked at Harri's OutAddIn.cls code, but I can't easily determine if it
creates a "genuine" mbox format that complies with what SA-learn needs to do
its "remove the markup" magic, or just recreates the original headers and
leaves the message encapsulated in whatever format Outlook uses. Harri, can
you provide a definitive answer, because before you said the encapsulated
spam should not be learned with your Add-In.

-- Dean

Confucius say: Early worm have death wish.




-----Original Message-----
From: Harri Pesonen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 8:02 AM
To: Mike Burger
Cc: Dan Wing; Theo Van Dinter; Dean Gallea;
[EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Re: [Spamassassin-saproxy] Outlook Add-In for
SpamAssassin is here


I still don't get it. The report is not in attachment, the original message
is. The report is in message body.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Burger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Harri Pesonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Dan Wing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Theo Van Dinter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dean Gallea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Re: [Spamassassin-saproxy] Outlook Add-In for
SpamAssassin is here


> If you edit your /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf and insert the 
> following
> lines:
>
> report_safe 0
> use_terse_report 0
>
> You'll find that the report is put into the message headers, instead 
> of as a MIME attachment.
>
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2003, Harri Pesonen wrote:
>
> > Are you saying, that if SA inserts the original e-mail as an 
> > attachment, then it is OK to feed this message to sa-learn, even if 
> > it has a new
body
> > text:
> >
> > "This mail is probably spam.  The original message has been attached 
> > along with this report, so you can recognize or block similar 
> > unwanted mail in future.  See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more 
> > details.
> >
> > Content preview:  Loading image ... URI:http://www32.com/gh/ 
> > URI:http://www32.com/gh/ghad.jpg URI:http://www32.com/gh/rm.htm 
> > URI:http://www32.com/gh/rm.gif [...]
> >
> > Content analysis details:   (19.70 points, 5 required)
> > X_MSMAIL_PRIORITY_HIGH (0.0 points)  Sent with 'X-Msmail-Priority' 
> > set
to
> > high
> > X_PRIORITY_HIGH    (1.9 points)  Sent with 'X-Priority' set to high
> > FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS  (0.6 points)  From: ends in numbers 
> > MSGID_OE_SPAM_4ZERO (4.3 points)  Message-Id generated by spam tool 
> > (4-zeroes variant)
> > INVALID_DATE       (0.6 points)  Invalid Date: header (not RFC 2822)
> > MSGID_SPAMSIGN_ZEROES (4.3 points)  Message-Id generated by spam 
> > tool (zeroes variant)
> > HTML_80_90         (0.5 points)  BODY: Message is 80% to 90% HTML
> > BAYES_60           (1.1 points)  BODY: Bayesian classifier says spam
> > probability is 60 to 70%
> >                    [score: 0.6024]
> > HTML_MESSAGE       (0.0 points)  BODY: HTML included in message
> > HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_02 (1.4 points)  BODY: HTML has images with 0-200 
> > bytes
of
> > words
> > MSGID_OUTLOOK_TIME (4.4 points)  Message-Id is fake (in Outlook 
> > Express
> > format)
> > DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 (0.1 points)  Date: is 6 to 12 hours before Received:
> > date
> > MIME_HTML_ONLY     (0.1 points)  Message only has text/html MIME parts
> > PRIORITY_NO_NAME   (0.4 points)  Message has priority setting, but no
> > X-Mailer
> >
> > The original message did not contain plain text, and may be unsafe 
> > to open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a 
> > virus, or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish 
> > to view it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an 
> > editor."
> >
> > I want to be 100% sure about this! :-)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dan Wing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Theo Van Dinter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: "Harri Pesonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Dean Gallea" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 10:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: [SAtalk] Re: [Spamassassin-saproxy] Outlook Add-In for
> > SpamAssassin is here
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, 9 Aug 2003, Theo Van Dinter wrote:
> > >
> > > > The bayes system won't learn already learned messages (as per 
> > > > the Message-ID header).  That's that whole bayes_seen db.
> > > >
> > > > There was a bug where messages w/out the Message-ID header could 
> > > > be learned/forgotten multiple times.  That's fixed in 2.60.
> > > >
> > > > sa-learn looks for the X-Spam-Status header, and if it exists, 
> > > > it'll remove the markup from the message, so report_safe mails 
> > > > are fine.
> > >
> > > Ah.  I had thought it didn't work based on some testing I did, but 
> > > obviously my testing was flawed.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > -d





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