At 04:29 AM Friday, 7/5/2002, Mike Burger wrote -=>

 > So, then, if I'm supposed to only use spamassassin -r to manually report
 > spam, how in heaven's name do I use Razor, in conjunction with SA, to
 > check for spam?

If you installed razor, SA will use it.  Check the test results in a 
message that gets scored as spam:

SPAM: -------------------- Start SpamAssassin results ----------------------
SPAM: This mail is probably spam.  The original message has been altered
SPAM: so you can recognise or block similar unwanted mail in future.
SPAM: See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details.
SPAM:
SPAM: Content analysis details:   (18.2 hits, 7 required)
SPAM: Hit! (3.0 points)  Listed in Razor, see http://razor.sourceforge.net/
SPAM:                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
SPAM: -------------------- End of SpamAssassin results ---------------------

 > I mean, I've been using SA for quite a while now, and have found that
 > 2.20 and now 2.31 dramatically cut down on the false positives...in fact,
 > since installing a 2.x version, and moving the spamtrap portion of my
 > procmail recipes to be the very last rules I use, I hadn't seen anything
 > dropped into my caughtspam file that wasn't actually spam...I've been
 > very pleased, in fact, with that.

I had to add a few entries to my whitelist but very few...

 > I do get the occasional missed spam, and realize that I can report that
 > (I guess I have to save that out to its own individual file, and then run
 > SA with the -r on that), and my understanding is that I'm supposed to be
 > able to run Razor in a way that checks against the Razor lists.

See above.  Check the test results...

I am beginning to see that there is more than one school of thought on this 
issue.  I am subscribing to the theory that if it's spam, whether SA caught 
it or not, I report it as described below.

 > On Thu, 4 Jul 2002, Ed Kasky wrote:

 >> I had the same thought when I first starting using SA  ;-)
 >>
 >> I did learn though that automatically passing any mail that may get tagged
 >> as spam onto Razor is not a good idea as you really should verify that it
 >> is spam and not a false positive.  I had quite a number of false positives
 >> early on....
 >>
 >> There are some things you can do that will definitely speed things up for
 >> you once you have clearly identified a message as being spam.  I used
 >> Theo's handlespam as a starting point:
 >>
 >> http://www.kluge.net/~felicity/random/handlespam.txt

Ed Kasky
Los Angeles, CA
. . . . . . . .
"It's not a very big step from contentment to complacency."
        - Simone De Beauvoir



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