Hello everyone: We have shared the following:
@wikipedia: https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/610487521630261248 I also shared it from @mediawiki: https://twitter.com/mediawiki/status/610487521651208192 Fb: https://www.facebook.com/wikipedia/posts/10153315749163346 Of course, we have our MediaWiki FB account: https://www.facebook.com/MediaWikiProject?ref=hl Wikipedia G+ : https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/100123345029543043288/+Wikipedia/posts/SPbWCTipJku On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 8:49 AM, Tilman Bayer <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > I agree that there is value in continuity, but remember that Wikipedia > > articles change over time, so unless someone is using a specific rev for > > measuring every time that they make a change to how the page renders, > then > > there is likely to be at least some unreliability in the measurement. > > Technical factors like bandwidth and geolocation may also be involved in > > skewing the validity of comparisons. > > An astute observation that shows your deep knowledge about wiki > technology and web performance measurement. However, I'm pretty > certain that for this particular project, Facebook's HHVM engineers > tested the same revision of the article, and knew how isolate/separate > varying bandwith. > > > > > > For most citations, there appears to be a manually updated list here: > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_with_the_most_references > > > > I wasn't able to find a list of articles with the most templates, > although > > there are a few articles where the template expansion depth limit is > > exceeded. > > As mentioned in the blog post that we want to socialize here > (http://hhvm.com/blog/9293/lockdown-results-and-hhvm-performance ), > "MediaWiki was benchmarked using the Barack Obama page from Wikipedia, > as was recommended by an engineer from Wikimedia foundation as > representative of their load." What you describe sounds more like a > recipe to find outliers, not examples that are reasonably > representative. Also, as Jeremy mentioned, the Obama article has a bit > of a tradition among MediaWiki developers as an example of a somewhat > complicated but popular article, also in other context than > performance - see eg. > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia_Android_app_screenshot_after_top-of-page_improvements_(2014).png > or search for "Obama" on Phabricator. I think it's a straightforward > choice as the head of state of the country where Wikipedia is hosted, > and not really politically charged at that. > I'm usually all for crafting social media messages carefully and > avoiding gaffes, but in this case we may be overthinking things a > little. > > > > > > Perhaps we should take the discussion of how best to measure page > rendering > > performance to Wikitech. Would that be ok with you? > > > > I don't want to stop you from educating the performance engineers at > Facebook and WMF about the wrongness of their ways, but we should > indeed get this social media message out soon, and I assume it would > take Facebook a while to re-run their study anyway. In general, you > may be interested in https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T97378#1285776 > . > > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Jeremy Baron <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> On Jun 12, 2015 12:41, "Pine W" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > In terms of byte size, that article isn't even in the top 250. See > >> > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LongPages&redirect=no > >> > >> And by template count? Or cite template count? > >> > >> Also there's some value to continuity. We've been using the Obama > example > >> for years. > >> > >> -Jeremy > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Social-media mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Social-media mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > > > > > > -- > Tilman Bayer > Senior Analyst > Wikimedia Foundation > IRC (Freenode): HaeB > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > -- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org [email protected]
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