On Tuesday 30 Dec 2008 11:25:23 am lukhman_khan wrote:

> >And while that war was averted by the urgent
> >diplomacy of the Clinton administration, the
>
> That war was averted? And by urgent diplomacy of the Clinton admin...?
>
> As we understood it, the pakis were being hammered in kargil and they
> wanted some face saving exit. So they were looking for someone, anyone
> to tell them to stop.

Lukhman - the man is a Paki. This is the standard Pakistani story. The only 
odd thing about the article is this man's acknowledgement that Pakistan is in 
trouble - an acknowledgement that does not come easily from Pakistanis.


> > New Delhi cannot afford to be lacking a military
> > response. India's failure to demonstrate her
> > military resolve undermines her security and
> > economic progress, and makes a mockery of her
> > claim as an emerging global actor deserving
> > permanent membership in the Security Council.
>
> Do you agree with this? Shiv? India, he says cannot be seen as being a
> strong state unless it attacks Pakistan.

Once again, a standard Pakistani line that occurs in article after article is 
that "lack of response" and "lack of war" is India's weakness - 
even "cowardice'. Time and again, Pakistan's survival after a conflict is 
portrayed as India's defeat. 

> > economic progress, and makes a mockery of her
> > claim as an emerging global actor deserving
> > permanent membership in the Security Council.
>
> To deserve a permanent membership in the security council, India
> should wage war against pakistan? (who can then claim to be a victim)
> and that would be a sure shot way of losing support.

Heh heh. :D And there are Indians who will agree with this guy.
>
> >Pakistan is unravelling along its Afghan
> >frontier. India can mount, with NATO members
> >including Canada, greater pressure on this
> >frontier by considering troop deployment in Afghanistan.
>
> Are the Americans facing any success there in Afghanistan? And even
> for a moment agreeing to send our troops there, where should India's
> supply lines be? Through pakistan?

The supply lines are the problem. If that can be sorted (Russia? Iran?) I 
would not mind seeing a slightly increased role in Afghanistan. I personally 
think a Pashtunistan should be carved out of Afghanistan and Pakistan. At 
least part of the Taliban is Pashtun nationalism. However the argument you 
make is a strong one and a lot of people disagree with my view.


> Assuming pakistan is going into self-destruct anyway, why dirty our
> hands in that mess. Let the americans do all the dirty work. After all
> they were the people who created it in the first place.

Lukhman I have just  finished writing an article about the US's role. A friend 
is trying to get the article into one of the mainstream media. Even if it 
does not get published by them - it will go online on my usual medium. I will 
link that here in due course.

shiv


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