On 8/7/06, Adam Leventhal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a
technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads.
After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're doing is
more or less this:
W
On August 8, 2006 3:04:09 PM +0930 Darren J Moffat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Adam Leventhal wrote:
When a file is modified, the kernel fires off an event which a user-land
daemon listens for. Every so often, the user-land daemon does something
like a snapshot of the affected portions of the fil
Bryan Cantrill wrote:
So in short (and brace yourself, because I
know it will be a shock): mentions by executives in keynotes don't always
accurately represent a technology. DynFS, anyone? ;)
I'm shocked and stunned, and not a little amazed!
I'll bet the OpenSolaris PPC guys are thrilled at
On Aug 8, 2006, at 12:34 AM, Darren J Moffat wrote:
Adam Leventhal wrote:
Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the
keynote from a
technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our
heads.
After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're
d
Adam Leventhal wrote:
Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a
technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads.
After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're doing is
more or less this:
When a file is modified, the ker
On 8/7/06, Bryan Cantrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We've had a great relationship with Apple at the engineering level -- andindeed, Team DTrace just got back from dinner with the Apple engineersinvolved with the port. More details here:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc?entry=dtrace_on_mac_
On 8/7/06, Robert Gordon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Aug 7, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Tao Chen wrote:> In terms of openness, Sun and Apple are going opposite directions> IMHO, interesting situation :)>> TaoApple just released the Darwin Kernel code "
xnu-792-10.96"the equivalent of 10.4.7 for intel machi
Needless to say, this was a pretty interesting piece of the keynote from a
technical point of view that had quite a few of us scratching our heads.
After talking to some Apple engineers, it seems like what they're doing is
more or less this:
When a file is modified, the kernel fires off an event w
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:57:44PM -0700, Eric Schrock wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote:
> >
> > > (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they
> > > mentioned DTrace ?)
> >
> > Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for th
Really? How odd. Seems to be counter-intuitive with this news:
Moreso,
http://www.opendarwin.org/~bbraun/oshistory.html
http://www.opendarwin.org/~bbraun/webkit.html
http://www.opendarwin.org/~bbraun/osfail.html
Apple is not interested in open source, as they've been merely using it
for a PR
> Apple just released the Darwin Kernel code "xnu-792-10.96"
> the equivalent of 10.4.7 for intel machines.
>
> -- Robert.
Really? How odd. Seems to be counter-intuitive with this news:
http://opendarwin.org/en/news/shutdown.html
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On Aug 7, 2006, at 7:17 PM, Tao Chen wrote:
In terms of openness, Sun and Apple are going opposite directions
IMHO, interesting situation :)
Tao
Apple just released the Darwin Kernel code "xnu-792-10.96"
the equivalent of 10.4.7 for intel machines.
-- Robert.
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On 8/7/06, Eric Schrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote:>> > (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they> > mentioned DTrace ?)>> Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for that kind of
> "oversight". I used
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote:
>
> > (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they
> > mentioned DTrace ?)
>
> Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for that kind of
> "oversight". I used to work for them, I know first hand how
>
On 8/7/06, Tim Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David Magda wrote:> Well, they've ported Dtrace:> > "..now built into Mac OS X Leopard. Xray. Because it's 2006."Uh right and they're actually shipping it in 2007. Apple marketing.
Anyone want to start printing t-shirts:"DTrace & Time Machine in Open
> David Magda wrote:
> > Well, they've ported Dtrace:
> >
> > "..now built into Mac OS X Leopard. Xray. Because it’s 2006."
>
> Uh right and they're actually shipping it in 2007. Apple marketing.
> Anyone want to start printing t-shirts:
>
> "DTrace & Time Machine in OpenSolaris. Because we had
David Magda wrote:
Well, they've ported Dtrace:
> "..now built into Mac OS X Leopard. Xray. Because it’s 2006."
Uh right and they're actually shipping it in 2007. Apple marketing.
Anyone want to start printing t-shirts:
"DTrace & Time Machine in OpenSolaris. Because we had it in 2005."
(ac
On Aug 7, 2006, at 15:45, Tim Foster wrote:
(Steve, does this mean you'll get your people to port iTunes to
OpenSolaris for us[1] ?)
Well, they've ported Dtrace:
Truly track read/write actions, UI events, and CPU load at the same
time, so you can more easily determine relationships between
Eric Schrock wrote:
So this is just standard backups, with a (very) slick GUI layered on
top.
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf?entry=zfs_on_your_desktop
vs.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
Hey!! Their idea looks *awfully* familiar :-/
(Steve, does this mean you'll ge
On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 02:36:27PM -0500, Ed Plese wrote:
> A quick Google search turned up the following URL which has some
> screenshots to illustrate what the Shadow Copy Client looks like.
Oops.. forgot the URL:
http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_use_the_shadow_copy_client.htm
Ed Plese
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On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:08:17PM -0700, Eric Schrock wrote:
> Yeah, I just noticed this line:
>
> "Backup Time: Time Machine will back up every night at midnight, unless
> you select a different time from this menu."
>
> So this is just standard backups, with a (very) slick GUI layered on
> top
Yeah, I just noticed this line:
"Backup Time: Time Machine will back up every night at midnight, unless
you select a different time from this menu."
So this is just standard backups, with a (very) slick GUI layered on
top. From the impression of the text-only rumor feed, it sounded more
impressi
or if they actually migrated to ZFS. The next weeks should
be interesting as people get ahold of the dev copies.
David
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From: Joseph Mocker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 9:04 am
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine
To: "David J
ccesible to desktop users.
Pretty impressive how they did the GUI work too.
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From: Eric Schrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine
To: Tao Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: ZFS Discussions
Th
Looks like they
just made snapshots accesible to desktop users. Pretty impressive how they did
the GUI work too.
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From: Eric Schrock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, August 7, 2006 8:55 am
Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Apple Time Machine
To: Tao Chen <[E
There are some more details here:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html
In particular, the backups are done to a separate drive. This means
that they can't be using traditional COW techniques (not that such a
thing is possible with HSFS), so it's unclear what kind of performance
i
Certainly sounds intriguing. From a ZFS standpoint, the easiest way to
do this would be to take a snapshot on every txg - not sure how one
would do it in a non-COW filesystem without inducing unacceptable
overhead. This is an expansion of the 'user undo' functionality that's
been discussed before
I am reading the live coverage of WWDC keynote here:http://www.macrumorslive.com/web/They talked about a new feature in OS X/Leopard: "Time Machine".
Does it sound like instant snapshot and rollback to you?I don't know how else this can be implemented.10:37 am with time machine, you can get thos
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