On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 04:57:44PM -0700, Eric Schrock wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 07, 2006 at 01:19:14PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote:
> > 
> > > (actually did they give OpenSolaris a name check at all when they 
> > > mentioned DTrace ?)
> > 
> > Nope, not that I can see. Apple's pretty notorious for that kind of
> > "oversight". I used to work for them, I know first hand how
> > hat-tipping doesn't occur very often.
> > 
> 
> Before this progresses much further, it's worth noting that all of team
> DTrace is at WWDC, has met with Apple engineers previously, and will be
> involved in one or more presentations today.  So while the marketing
> department may not include OpenSolaris in the high level overview, Apple
> is not ignoring the roots of DTrace, and will not be hiding this fact
> from their developers (not that they could).

We've had a great relationship with Apple at the engineering level -- and
indeed, Team DTrace just got back from dinner with the Apple engineers
involved with the port.  More details here:

  http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/bmc?entry=dtrace_on_mac_os_x

As for the OpenSolaris name check:  no, Apple didn't mention DTrace's
roots and yes, I wished they had -- but DTrace was mentioned practically
as an aside anyway (so much so that a developer sitting about two rows
ahead of turned to the guy next to him and asked "did they just say they
ported DTrace?!"), and I think the team involved with DTrace at Apple
would have also liked to see a more prominent and complete description of
their work and its origins.  So in short (and brace yourself, because I
know it will be a shock):  mentions by executives in keynotes don't always
accurately represent a technology.  DynFS, anyone?  ;)

        - Bryan

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Bryan Cantrill, Solaris Kernel Development.       http://blogs.sun.com/bmc
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