Hi All,
I will step in and offer my 2 Euro cents worth.
First, we have to be careful not to mix oranges and apples.
That is to say font formats , font feature sets, rendering engines
and tex formats and tex engines. They are all different animals.
Let us take ATSUI. Why has Apple abandon it? W
2012/7/31 Keith J. Schultz :
> Hi All,
> ...
>
> Soo, if more users do not switch to Lua(La)TeX and requesting features, the
> developers will not need feel
> the need to add low-level support for them or will those possibly interested
> step up to bat.
>
> It is like VHS and BetaMax. On will eve
On 31/7/12 10:06, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
Hi All,
I will step in and offer my 2 Euro cents worth.
...of misinformation, I'm afraid.
First, we have to be careful not to mix oranges and apples.
That is to say font formats , font feature sets, rendering engines
and tex formats and tex engine
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
>> So as you all can see it cuts both ways. I vote is to gradually switch to
>> Lua(La)TeX. I believe that it can become the
>> future.
>>
> It can if other scripts become supported.
And preferably other rendering technologies like Graphite (
On 31/7/12 10:39, Shriramana Sharma wrote:
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
So as you all can see it cuts both ways. I vote is to gradually switch to
Lua(La)TeX. I believe that it can become the
future.
It can if other scripts become supported.
And preferably other ren
On 12-07-31 11:34, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> ...of misinformation, I'm afraid.
Indeed.
Keith J. Schultz wrote:
>> Let us take ATSUI. Why has Apple abandon it? Well, I do not believe
>> there are are any native ATT-fonts in the MacOS X any more.
Most complex-script fonts (Arabic, Indic etc.) that ship
Am 31.07.2012 um 01:19 schrieb Zdenek Wagner:
> Yes, I know. Similarly as XeTeX can set \pdfpageheight and
> \pdfpagewidth (or use \special{papersize=...}) there might be a
> similar \special for setting PDF version and compression but such
> \special's do not exist.
For very good reason! "\pdfm
> For very good reason! "\pdfminorversion" is not only some monadic number,
> it's also a guarantee that this document conforms to a particular standard.
Not really. In pdfTeX the version enables certain features (object
streams, png inclusion).
But no guarantee is made for included pdfs: At most
2012/7/31 Martin Schröder :
>> For very good reason! "\pdfminorversion" is not only some monadic number,
>> it's also a guarantee that this document conforms to a particular standard.
>
> Not really. In pdfTeX the version enables certain features (object
> streams, png inclusion).
> But no guarant
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:32:31PM +0200, Zdenek Wagner wrote:
> 2012/7/31 Martin Schröder :
> >> For very good reason! "\pdfminorversion" is not only some monadic number,
> >> it's also a guarantee that this document conforms to a particular standard.
> >
> > Not really. In pdfTeX the version ena
Am 31.07.2012 um 11:06 schrieb Keith J. Schultz :
> One of the reasons why I stopped using LaTeX was its lack of support for
> system fonts.
> Xe(La)TeX change all that. Yet, when I look at fontspec, I said what in all
> hell do I have to
> do all that (setting up all kinds of features, and God
On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Khaled Hosny wrote:
> ATSUI is used by the engine on mac to support AAT fonts, also
> corresponding services are used for finding system fonts. It is possible
> to disable all Mac specific code and build XeTeX as if it was another
> Unix (I think MacPorts does this, on
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote:
> exceptional cases or for certain special needs like font variants, color
> etc. (OK, speaking from the perspective of a user who don't need
> languages with non-latin scripts …)
There's the rub. Non-Latin scripts are a big part of the constituency o
On 31/7/12 13:26, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
There's the rub. Non-Latin scripts are a big part of the constituency of
XeTeX. I routinely have to manually activate Korean-specific OpenType
features that are specified to be default but that XeTeX/fontspec doesn't
activate by default, just to
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> On 31/7/12 13:26, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> > There's the rub. Non-Latin scripts are a big part of the constituency of
> > XeTeX. I routinely have to manually activate Korean-specific OpenType
> > features that are specified to be default but tha
On 31/7/12 14:36, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Jonathan Kew wrote:
On 31/7/12 13:26, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
There's the rub. Non-Latin scripts are a big part of the constituency of
XeTeX. I routinely have to manually activate Korean-specific OpenType
features
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 01:02:04PM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote:
>
> Am 31.07.2012 um 01:19 schrieb Zdenek Wagner:
>
> > Yes, I know. Similarly as XeTeX can set \pdfpageheight and
> > \pdfpagewidth (or use \special{papersize=...}) there might be a
> > similar \special for setting PDF version and c
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 02:54:29PM +0100, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> On 31/7/12 14:36, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> >On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Jonathan Kew wrote:
> >>On 31/7/12 13:26, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote:
> >>>There's the rub. Non-Latin scripts are a big part of the constituency of
> >>>XeT
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 03:54:38PM +0200, Heiko Oberdiek wrote:
> > > It is more difficult to create PDF/X
> > > compliant file because I have to create XDV and then specify the PDF
> > > version when calling xdvipdfmx but pdftex can set it directly.
> >
> > Pdftex is the creator of the PDF file.
Khaled Hosny wrote:
I wish people could just ignore what Mr Dyballa writes, as most of time
he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
/Ad hominem/ attacks, justified or not, reflect more badly on
those levelling the accusation than they do on the individual named.
Philip Taylor
On 31/7/12 15:09, Khaled Hosny wrote:
What is the difference between XeTeXHanLayoutEngine and ICU's
HanOpenTypeLayoutEngine? In other words, would it be enough to just use
ICU's Hangul engine, or there are adjustments needed?
IIRC, XeTeXHanLayoutEngine adds support for user-specified features;
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 03:56:47PM +0100, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>
>
> Khaled Hosny wrote:
>
> >I wish people could just ignore what Mr Dyballa writes, as most of time
> >he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.
>
> /Ad hominem/ attacks, justified or not, reflect more badly on
> those
Hi Jonathan, All,
I have to disagree with you! Yet, the disagreement is on fundementals.
Apple, themselves state that MOST of the ATSUI features are no longer supported.
You can get some of that functionality back using Core Text, though most you
will have to by hand using Core Graphics.
Also,
Hi Joachim,
Am 31.07.2012 um 13:46 schrieb Joachim Trinkwitz :
> Am 31.07.2012 um 11:06 schrieb Keith J. Schultz :
>
>> One of the reasons why I stopped using LaTeX was its lack of support for
>> system fonts.
>> Xe(La)TeX change all that. Yet, when I look at fontspec, I said what in all
>> hel
How nasty of you, Phil to insult Khaled for rebuking Dyballa. Ooops! What
does that say about me? ...
On 31 July 2012 16:56, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>
>
> Khaled Hosny wrote:
>
> I wish people could just ignore what Mr Dyballa writes, as most of time
>> he has absolutely no idea what he is talkin
On 2012-07-30 17:15, Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
Not long ago, Jonathan noted about a particular problem that,
The best chance of fixing this will be if xetex is updated some day to use
the new harfbuzz engine, but there's no immediate prospect of that, I'm
afraid.
Like most of us on this list,
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:59 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
> except micro-type goe sway beyond Gutenbergs resolution!
Sure, if one chooses to use sp to define such, but one defines in terms of an
em-square (the utility of the sp is that it forecloses on rounding issues).
You're not going to have a u
Dominik Wujastyk wrote:
How nasty of you, Phil to insult Khaled for rebuking Dyballa. Ooops!
What does that say about me? ...
Well, as my good friend Mr Churchill might have said (had he not
been too busy mongering), "This is the depth of level down to
which I will not sink ...".
** P.
-
So, as a simple ol' (stress on the simple, well, maybe the old as well)
XeTeX/XeLaTeX user I have 2 questions for the gurus and cognoscenti in the
group.
Is XeLaTeX/XeTex currently supported within the community? If not, is there a
good chance that it will go away/become incompatible/unusable
On 7/31/2012 11:59 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
No where is it stated in the manual that you do not need to set up the font
families.
I'll grant that the Fontspec manual can be intimidating, especially for
newcomers to TeX (as I was when I encountered it). However, it does say
in section
2012/7/31 David Perry :
>
>
> On 7/31/2012 11:59 AM, Keith J. Schultz wrote:
>
>> No where is it stated in the manual that you do not need to set up the
>> font families.
>
>
> I'll grant that the Fontspec manual can be intimidating, especially for
> newcomers to TeX (as I was when I encountered it
Hi Adrian,
Xe(La)TeX will be around from quite some time. If I see things
right many features are still being developed or expanded.
Will it go away or die? Eventually, maybe. Who knows? I mean TeX
is still around.
regards
Keith.
Am 31.07.2012 um 22:14 schrieb Adrian Burd :
> Is XeLaTe
Hi William,
You are only partially correct. Yes, you can create very fine structures
off the glyphs. Yet, is only a part of the picture.
You forget interword spacing and kerning. Gutenberg, could never match
the resolution of microtype.
Of course, the whole line could be done by hand, but how
> It says everywhere that luatex supports UTF-8, yet my (very
> limited) understanding is that Unicode string support in *lua*
> is entirely dependent on third party additions.
LuaTeX includes such a third-party addition for UTF-8 string
processing, called Selene (http://files.luaforge.net/relea
On 31.07.2012, at 13:02, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> it's questionable whether it's worth when XeTeX has reached its end of life
> cycle and LuaTeX is taking over – without micro-typography that seemed to
> have started in ConTeXt…
I don't think this is an accurate description of the situation. In
>
>I ask because I currently use xetex + perltex for some things.
>
IMHO, what you do is very wise.
A.S.
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