Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-10-04 Thread Vafa Khalighi
I think it has not beed added to TeXLive because http://ctan.org/pkg/ucharclasses shows that the license of the package is "nonfree" and TeXLive team do not add "nonfree" packages to TeXLive. On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Mike "Pomax" Kamermans < po...@nihongoresources.com> wrote: > Apologies

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-10-04 Thread Mike "Pomax" Kamermans
Apologies for hooking into an older thread, I'm kind of confused. Couldn't you use the ucharclasses package for this? Isn't this the precise reason it was created? Possibly, but how is one expected to learn of the existence of the package ? "TeXdoc ucharclasses" reports no hits, so it is not

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Yes, that is the right approach, but implementing it successfully requires use of \uccode & \uppercase, or \lccode and \lowercase, and the \uppercase/lowercase primitives are, in general, very poorly understood. Perhaps easier is to make use of the fact

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-19 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Andy Lin wrote: I'm kind of confused. Couldn't you use the ucharclasses package for this? Isn't this the precise reason it was created? Possibly, but how is one expected to learn of the existence of the package ? "TeXdoc ucharclasses" reports no hits, so it is not even possible to investiga

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Andy Lin
I'm kind of confused. Couldn't you use the ucharclasses package for this? Isn't this the precise reason it was created? -Andy -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) wrote: Peter Dyballa wrote: Right! Make character \n active and \define it as character \n from font \Cher. Yes, that is the right approach, but implementing it successfully requires use of \uccode & \uppercase, or \lccode and \lowercase, and the \uppercas

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Peter Dyballa wrote: Right! Make character \n active and \define it as character \n from font \Cher. Yes, that is the right approach, but implementing it successfully requires use of \uccode & \uppercase, or \lccode and \lowercase, and the \uppercase/lowercase primitives are, in general, ver

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 18.07.2011 um 11:34 schrieb Susan Dietmar: > If I understand correctly, he wants to > construct a loop, where \n contains the loop's counter (and the integer > representation of the character to be replaced, if I understand correctly), > so he does not want to define \n, but define whatever \n

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Susan Dittmar
Quoting Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) (p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk): > > > Peter Dyballa wrote: > > >Yes, maybe it has to be > > > > \def\char\n{\Cher\char\n} > > Simplest is to grab the original meaning of \n before > re-defining it : > > \let \canonicaln = \n > \def \n {whateve

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Peter Dyballa wrote: Yes, maybe it has to be \def\char\n{\Cher\char\n} Simplest is to grab the original meaning of \n before re-defining it : \let \canonicaln = \n \def \n {whatever, using \canonicaln} ** Phil. --

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-18 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 17.07.2011 um 22:59 schrieb Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Rettet): > Peter Dyballa wrote: > >>\def\n{\Cher\n} > > Can't see that working : won't the expansion of > \n involve the expansion of \n, which will involve > the ... (you get the idea). Yes, maybe it has to be \def\c

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-17 Thread Steve Peter
> ** Phil (a TeX programmer, who would sooner roll naked in nettles Now that's a disturbing image... -- Subscriptions, Archive, and List information, etc.: http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/xetex

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-17 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Peter Dyballa wrote: \def\n{\Cher\n} Can't see that working : won't the expansion of \n involve the expansion of \n, which will involve the ... (you get the idea). ** Phil (a TeX programmer, who would sooner roll naked in nettles than attempt to program anything in shell, sed, or

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-17 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 17.07.2011 um 16:21 schrieb Michael Joyner: > If I wanted to redefine > the UNICODE range for Cherokee Glyphs to match the below, so that I could > leave the rest using standard fonts, by using the \def approach, how would > you do it? Maybe this (untested) works: \newfontfamily\Che

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-17 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 17.07.2011 um 00:42 schrieb Michael Joyner: > > > The font definition I posted has Cherokee glyphs, but I have to fake bold, >> etc. >> > > > Try GNU FreeSerif and FreeSans! (My FreeMono has only one Cherokee type > face.) > > No Chero

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-17 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 17.07.2011 um 00:42 schrieb Michael Joyner: The font definition I posted has Cherokee glyphs, but I have to fake bold, etc. Try GNU FreeSerif and FreeSans! (My FreeMono has only one Cherokee type face.) -- Greetings Pete Some day we may discover how to make magnets that can poin

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 16.07.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Michael Joyner: > > > How would one leverage that to handle my font defines of (below) for >> only a fixed range of unicode? >> > > > You either use a loop to activate the up to 128 characters or you use a >

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 16.07.2011 um 23:32 schrieb Michael Joyner: How would one leverage that to handle my font defines of (below) for only a fixed range of unicode? You either use a loop to activate the up to 128 characters or you use a font with Cherokee script and characters support to type Cherokee. Or

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
Michael Joyner wrote: mailto:p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk>> wrote: I have some sympathy with this perspective, but as one who has tried to learn spoken Chinese through the medium of pinyin, I know only too well that such representations can convey at best only a vague approximation t

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 16.07.2011 um 18:04 schrieb Michael Joyner: > > > Am 16.07.2011 um 09:38 schrieb Michael Joyner: >>> >>> As a sort of an aside (could tie into this) Is there a way to specify a "fallback" font for tetex to use when a glyph is not

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) < p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk> wrote: > > > >> > I have some sympathy with this perspective, but as one who > has tried to learn spoken Chinese through the medium of > pinyin, I know only too well that such representations > can convey at b

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd) < p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > The IPA has its drawbacks, that is true, and is more intended to > convey intra-language differences than inter-language, but it is > still almost certainly the best way in which to present the

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Philip TAYLOR (Webmaster, Ret'd)
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Peter Dyballa wrote: like "hay" (or some other form of money) or different, like in German for example? (That's the reason IPA was invented: it's completely clear.) I think the point Michael was making is that because Cherokee is already

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 16.07.2011 um 22:30 schrieb msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: Bear in mind that the audience for his project is not linguists who might already know IPA, but language learners. Probably British learners, so they would know how "Hee" is pronounced in English. In German it might me transcribed as

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread mskala
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011, Peter Dyballa wrote: > like "hay" (or some other form of money) or different, like in German for > example? (That's the reason IPA was invented: it's completely clear.) I think the point Michael was making is that because Cherokee is already written in a phonetic script, trans

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 16.07.2011 um 18:04 schrieb Michael Joyner: Am 16.07.2011 um 09:38 schrieb Michael Joyner: As a sort of an aside (could tie into this) Is there a way to specify a "fallback" font for tetex to use when a glyph is not present in the current active font? The results of finding in some o

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 16.07.2011 um 09:38 schrieb Michael Joyner: > > > As a sort of an aside (could tie into this) Is there a way to specify a > > "fallback" font for tetex to use when a glyph is not present in the > current > > active font? > > The results

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 16.07.2011 um 10:55 schrieb Michael Joyner: > > > Here is the current results attached as a single page PDF. > > I'm missing the use of IPA – how do you pronounce these words? > I don't the use of IPA. And I am sure my students would n

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 16.07.2011 um 10:55 schrieb Michael Joyner: > Here is the current results attached as a single page PDF. I'm missing the use of IPA – how do you pronounce these words? -- Greetings Pete Almost anything is easier to get into than out of. – Allen's Law -

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 16.07.2011 um 09:38 schrieb Michael Joyner: > As a sort of an aside (could tie into this) Is there a way to specify a > "fallback" font for tetex to use when a glyph is not present in the current > active font? The results of finding in some other font the character would not satisfy the use

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Michael Joyner wrote: > > > >> > For those curious, it is for number teaching via visual counting of dots. > As part of a suggested layout for flash cards in a table as a starting > point. > > As a sort of an aside (could tie into this) Is there a way to specify a

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-16 Thread Michael Joyner
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Peter Dyballa wrote: > > Am 15.07.2011 um 00:57 schrieb Michael Joyner: > > > I am trying to use the epsdice package from inside LyX, and when I switch >> to >> using xelatex as the formatting engine, the package malfunctions. >> > Thanks for all the different su

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-15 Thread Tobias Schoel
Hi, I think, no package is needed as long as you have an appropriate font: The die faces are located in unicode at the codepoints u+2680 to u+2685, so you only need to input these characters into your document or type \char"2680 and so on. bye Toscho Am 15.07.2011 00:57, schrieb Michael Jo

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-15 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:34:19 +0100 schrieb Jonathan Kew: >> As the log informs you clipping support is (yet) not >> implemented in the xetex driver of the graphicx package. >> >> You can clip with tikz, but it need a bit of fiddling with the >> values: [...] >> But I would probably look for a no

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-15 Thread Peter Dyballa
Am 15.07.2011 um 00:57 schrieb Michael Joyner: I am trying to use the epsdice package from inside LyX, and when I switch to using xelatex as the formatting engine, the package malfunctions. This packages is a bit old and meant to be used with the pdfTeX engine. With XeTeX you can:

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-15 Thread Apostolos Syropoulos
> Chances are you already have a font that provides these; they're encoded at > Unicode values U+2680 DIE FACE-1 to U+2685 DIE FACE-6, so just check for > these > characters in various large-repertoire fonts and you'll probably find > something usable. Indeed,  DejaVu Sans provides these chara

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-15 Thread Jonathan Kew
On 15 Jul 2011, at 09:14, Ulrike Fischer wrote: > Am Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:57:48 -0400 schrieb Michael Joyner: > >> I am trying to use the epsdice package from inside LyX, and when I switch to >> using xelatex as the formatting engine, the package malfunctions. >> >> Instead of drawing a single di

Re: [XeTeX] epsdice package.

2011-07-15 Thread Ulrike Fischer
Am Thu, 14 Jul 2011 18:57:48 -0400 schrieb Michael Joyner: > I am trying to use the epsdice package from inside LyX, and when I switch to > using xelatex as the formatting engine, the package malfunctions. > > Instead of drawing a single die, it draws all 12 possible combinations of > dice on two