Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-06-03 Thread Wilson, Phil
e fusion installation of assemblies to the GAC and WinSxs breaks formation. Phil Wilson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Painter Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 1:02 PM To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset. Subject:

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-30 Thread Christopher Painter
L PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Painter Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:28 PM To: Rob Mensching; dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date I've often thought about creating and marketing my own bootstrapper product. I know the storie

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-30 Thread Wilson, Phil
Christopher Painter Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:28 PM To: Rob Mensching; dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date I've often thought about creating and marketing my own bootstrapper product. I know the stories and requirement

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-29 Thread Christopher Painter
I'd be willing to pay. I've payed you know who thousands of dollars year after year and felt that I got my moneys worth. While I like that WiX is open source, I don't need it to be free, I just need it ( or some tool in an ecosystem that it creates ) to get to a level where it meets my needs b

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Friedrich Dominicus
Christopher Painter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hmmm... > >   > > >http://www.productbeautiful.com/2008/05/02/why-product-management-is-open-sources-fatal-flaw/ Nice read, I can sympathize with both sides. Howerver the users are not willing to pay and so why should I care as developer. I do as I

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Kelly Leahy
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Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Bob Arnson
Neil Sleightholm wrote: I don't think people read beta as "not functionally complete", I think they read "full of bugs". I agree that it is missing some very important features but in my experience what is there is very reliable. I seem to remember v2 going through a few releases where the c

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Bob Arnson
Christopher Painter wrote: > Hmmm... > > http://www.productbeautiful.com/2008/05/02/why-product-management-is-open-sources-fatal-flaw/ My question stands: What does power have to do with it? Product/project/program management isn't about wielding authority, it's about building consensus. --

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Neil Sleightholm
ity was asked whether the current build was a good release candidate and then that one was posted as a release. Neil From: Martin MacPherson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2008 17:52 To: Neil Sleightholm Cc: Rob Mensching; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] W

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Christopher Painter
Hmmm... http://www.productbeautiful.com/2008/05/02/why-product-management-is-open-sources-fatal-flaw/ Bob Arnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Christopher Painter wrote: > I know a very good product manager that would probably volunteer. The > question is, would the engineers yield the p

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Brian Rogers
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob > Mensching > Sent: 27 May 2008 19:22 > To: dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date > > Interesting. Let's go back and look at

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Martin MacPherson
riginal Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob > Mensching > Sent: 27 May 2008 19:22 > To: dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date > > Interesting. Let's go back

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Neil Sleightholm
Neil Sleightholm X2 Systems Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching Sent: 27 May 2008 19:22 To: dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date Interesting. Let'

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Bob Arnson
Christopher Painter wrote: > I know a very good product manager that would probably volunteer. The > question is, would the engineers yield the power in an open source > environment? What does power have to do with it? -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/ --

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Evans, Jim
X. As an aside, does the design of Fredrik's bootstrapper framework meet my needs? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 4:15 PM To: Peterson, Joel; dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subje

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-28 Thread Christopher Painter
I know a very good product manager that would probably volunteer. The question is, would the engineers yield the power in an open source environment? Bob Arnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: dB. wrote: You all speak like a bunch of engineers :) There are rarely enough program

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Bob Arnson
dB. wrote: You all speak like a bunch of engineers :) There are rarely enough program managers on open-source projects. -- sig://boB http://joyofsetup.com/ - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challen

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread dB.
You all speak like a bunch of engineers :) From: Christopher Painter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:28 PM To: Rob Mensching; dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date I've often thought about creatin

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Christopher Painter
ality of today plus fixing ~150 bugs. Thoughts? -Original Message- From: dB. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:44 To: Rob Mensching; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date Rob, I think you completely nailed it

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Tony Juricic
I am working on a rather complex project using Wix 3 beta. It is expected that we will eventually generate frequent patches and minor upgrades (i.e. hotfixes and SPs) so a stable standard Wix plus patching functionality would be very desirable. Within next few months, if possible :) If MSI SDK bo

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Rob Mensching
June it'll show up... then bug fixes and additional feature requests go from there. -Original Message- From: Peterson, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 13:07 To: Rob Mensching; dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users]

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Rob Mensching
3.0 release date If I'm not mistaken, the legality behind contribution from the Microsoft standpoint is the issue on having so noted hackathon. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Luke Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > That means there will be no bo

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Peterson, Joel
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob Mensching Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:50 PM To: dB.; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date Fair. Of course, I don't think we should be looking to take over the world with the WiX toolset (we pro

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Brian Rogers
If I'm not mistaken, the legality behind contribution from the Microsoft standpoint is the issue on having so noted hackathon. On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Luke Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That means there will be no bootstrapper in WiX v3 and no improvement to > the IIS CustomActi

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Luke Bakken
> That means there will be no bootstrapper in WiX v3 and no improvement to the > IIS CustomActions to better handle IIS7. Basically, imagine the WiX v3 > toolset functionality of today plus fixing ~150 bugs. > > Thoughts? My $0.02: I've been using the Platform SDK MSI bootstrapper with WiX to

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Rob Mensching
y of today plus fixing ~150 bugs. Thoughts? -Original Message- From: dB. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:44 To: Rob Mensching; Daniel Hughes; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date Rob, I think you completely nailed it when y

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread dB.
ix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date Interesting. Let's go back and look at the things that are driving the WiX v3 release. 1. Bugs. WiX v2 was marked "stable" by pushing a number of bugs to WiX v3 (especially Votive bugs). There are still a

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Rob Mensching
is quite functional but there are bug fixes going in so we have to "reserve the right" to accidentally break stuff that works. Pick you risk profile and go from there. -Original Message- From: dB. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:17 To: Rob Mensching; Daniel

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Rob Mensching
inal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Farrell Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:46 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date > From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:10 PM &

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Jeremy Farrell
> From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:10 PM > > WiX v2 *is* out of beta. It has been for a good many months > (http://robmensching.com/blog/archive/2008/02/17/WiX-toolset-o > n-SourceForge-marked-ProductionStable.aspx). We're going to > have to do an

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread dB.
to pick "high quality" v2 builds and push them out to SourceForge. If you wanted to start managing that type of process for WiX v3, feel free to contact me and we can talk about it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Hughes S

Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 release date

2008-05-27 Thread Rob Mensching
hat will be 100% backwards compatible and done very carefully to minimize regressions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Farrell Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 09:29 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WIX 3.0 relea