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> From: Nick Ball [mailto:nick.b...@grantadesign.com]
>
> The problem I had is that management were very reluctant for me to spend
> the time getting up to speed with WiX. Setup is just copying a few files
> right?
> How hard can it be?!? In reality we have many diffe
eptember 03, 2010 8:59 AM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bootstrapping and Burn
dB-
I've mostly gone down your road over the last year and I know have about 50
out
of 250 developers capable ( and they do when needed ) of contributing to
> From: Bruce Cran [mailto:br...@cran.org.uk]
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 6:55 PM
>
> On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
> Christopher Painter wrote:
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> > Well said other then I don't agree that InstallShield is the reason
> > people don't want to write installs. ( Although this s
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On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
Christopher Painter wrote:
> Well said other then I don't agree that InstallShield is the reason
> people don't want to write ins
On Fri, 3 Sep 2010 10:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
Christopher Painter wrote:
> Well said other then I don't agree that InstallShield is the reason
> people don't want to write installs. ( Although this seems to be
> supported by tweats and blogs that I read. ) I just can't buy
> it based on my experience
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Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 7:32:40 AM
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If anyone has a development team in our initial situation and needs help with
some
7;m just hard headed enough to look past the
tools
faults.
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From: Nick Ball
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Sent: Fri, September 3, 2010 9:41:58 AM
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bootstrapping and Burn
dB is right; it is a management problem.
I'm the lead deve
dB is right; it is a management problem.
I'm the lead developer for the product I'm involved in (BTW - for both
the software AND the installation). We used Wise for many, many years
until it got so creaky that I had to replace it - and WiX was the
obvious choice.
The problem I had is that manag
10 7:32:40 AM
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bootstrapping and Burn
It's a management problem.
My developers hated writing installer code and learning anything about it as
long as we had a setup developer. They had no idea how complex it can get and
why they should care. They wanted to writ
cheers
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From: Tony Juricic [mailto:tjuri...@tradestation.com]
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 12:58 AM
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
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Yep. P
Think the problem also comes from the tools for creating installers:
The MSI based IS, Wise and VisualStudio Installer just try to say to
the people " Oh setup creating is very easy. Just some clicks here and
you're done". What happens below on MSI nobody tells. For the core
concept of MSI and a d
On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 15:49:27 -0700 (PDT)
Christopher Painter wrote:
>
> I agree with you Bob except for one problem. I've found so few
> setup experts who also have the broader application development
> experience.Too few developers want to specialize in this space.
I get the impression it
et.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Bootstrapping and Burn
I agree with you Bob except for one problem. I've found so few setup experts
who also have the broader application development experience.Too few
developers want to specialize in this space.
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> On 02-Sep-10 06:13, Pally Sandher wrote:
>> I have personally fixed things like that myself. Last year one of our dev's
>> decided to implement the use of
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On 02-Sep-10 06:13, Pally Sandher wrote:
> I have personal
On 02-Sep-10 06:13, Pally Sandher wrote:
> I have personally fixed things like that myself. Last year one of our dev's
> decided to implement the use of CAPICOM for some basic password encryption&
> MD5 checking& thought it was OK to tell me "just self-register the CAPICOM
> DLL in the insta
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BTW, one last comment. I'm often irritated by some of the crap packages that
I have to bootstrap and we often get blamed when things go wrong that were
outside of our control. Be
9:19 AM
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Agree with all you said except it's not paying for the bootstrapper
functionality that irritates me, it's that they have it too tightly couple with
InstallShield. I'd love to have a project type that allowed me to take an
exte
of my product just like "driving" is not a
feature of my car.
cheers
-dB.
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From: Goryuk, Alex [mailto:agor...@rosettastone.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:35 AM
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ng" is not a
feature of my car.
cheers
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From: Goryuk, Alex [mailto:agor...@rosettastone.com]
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Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 11:00:32 AM
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Thank you for the feedback, really appreciate it.
After talking to InstallShield tech s
de which one is better for my needs.
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Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:49:20 AM
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On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:10:20 -0400
"Goryuk, Alex" wrote:
> Have you guys tried using NSIS http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page ?
I've used NSIS in the past, but I have a set of existing MSI files that
I just want to package up into a single exe along with the Visual C++
2010 runtime and the .NE
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 06:22:56 -0700 (PDT)
Christopher Painter wrote:
> NSIS? Sorry, I'd rather go to the dentist.
You *really* don't like it, do you? :)
I don't understand why not; I consider it better than InstallShield for
example where you end up having to install InstallScript engine update
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Have you guys tried using NSIS http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page ?
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Christopher Pain
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Have you guys tried using NSIS http://nsis.sourceforge.net/Main_Page ?
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:36 AM, Christopher Painter wrote:
> I've looked at dotNetInstaller and while it
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> Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 8:23:36 AM
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>
> http://dotnetinstaller.codeplex.com will get you there in 15 minutes or so.
>
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http://dotnetinstaller.codeplex.com will get you there in 15 minutes or so
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:23:36 -0400
dB. wrote:
> http://dotnetinstaller.codeplex.com will get you there in 15 minutes
> or so.
Thanks, it looks like exactly what I need.
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] Bootstrapping and Burn
Hi,
I realise Burn has been removed from WiX 3.5, but I'm wondering if the
Visual Studio bootstrapper would be a good substitute or if I should
wait for a 3.6 snapshot. My main requirement is a single file that
users can download to do the installation, since I hate hav
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Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 8:02:45 AM
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
Christopher Painter wrote:
> If tha
On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 05:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
Christopher Painter wrote:
> If that's your main requirement then a self extracting ZIP would do
> the trick for you along with many other available tools. Personally
> I think that then causes another problem of not caching the extracted
> MSI in a perma
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From: Bruce Cran
To: "wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net"
Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 3:45:33 AM
Subject: [WiX-users] Bootstrapping and Burn
Hi,
I realise Burn
Hi,
I realise Burn has been removed from WiX 3.5, but I'm wondering if the
Visual Studio bootstrapper would be a good substitute or if I should
wait for a 3.6 snapshot. My main requirement is a single file that
users can download to do the installation, since I hate having a
setup.exe and MSI file
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