Re: Discussion: make duplicate contributions to services with ordered configurations an error

In both cases I would expect a hard exception instead of a soft warning. There’s already enough magic going on in the background. Best, Rafael On October 27, 2017 3:57:59 PM Dmitry Gusev wrote: Hi Thiago, I would expect this to throw an exception on application start. I would also expec

Re: Discussion: make duplicate contributions to services with ordered configurations an error

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Dmitry Gusev wrote: > Hi Thiago, > Hello, Dmitry! > I would expect this to throw an exception on application start. > Thanks for your opinion! Even more for agreeing with me! :D > I would also expected that `configuration.override` would fix this, > It wou

Re: Discussion: make duplicate contributions to services with ordered configurations an error

Hi Thiago, I would expect this to throw an exception on application start. I would also expected that `configuration.override` would fix this, although it's not that clear what should happen if you're overriding a contribution twice, say, in different modules. Can we order the overrides somehow?

Re: Discussion- the verdict

Yes, it's a pity that someone might be put off using the framework because of vocal, and misinformed minority. There's really no substitute for trying something yourself... On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 09:50 -0200, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus

Re: Discussion- the verdict

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Re: Discussion- the verdict

Hi Igor We should answer these threads as these threads come up in search engines when some newbie is searching tapestry related information. It is threads like these which prevented me from considering Tapestry in my projects for so long. regards Taha On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Igor Dro

Re: Discussion- the verdict

Thiago, don't waste your time. Most probably the guy is yet another troll. He wrote 2 messages to the list: both about the TSS thread. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo < thiag...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus > wrote: > > Hi

Re: Discussion- the verdict

On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 08:53:41 -0200, George Banus wrote: Hi Guys, Hi! So, I'm sorry I have to say that I'm saving my time and effort in learning Tapestry for something else. This is my decision for now, though I might change it in 3 or 4 years time after I notice some stability and con

Re: Discussion- the verdict

George, we wish you a nice journey with regards Sven Homburg Founder of the Chenille Kit Project http://chenillekit.codehaus.org 2011/1/12 George Banus : > Hi Guys, > > I gave up on Tapestry. This was based on the overwhelmingly negative > comments I've been reading about Tapestry on the Inte

Re: Discussion- the verdict

George that's your problem not ours .. And the title verdict indicates that you have som legal authority ... I think we T5:ers have a competitive advantage and really see no need for spreading the light ... :-) T5 - Code less - Deliver more One could add Gossip less and shut down TSS Gunnar Ek

Re: Discussion- the verdict

Hi Guys, I gave up on Tapestry. This was based on the overwhelmingly negative comments I've been reading about Tapestry on the Internet. Outside of this forum, I see no positive message about Tapestry anywhere. And that makes me very suspicious about the viability of this framework, besides all th

Re: Discussion

My company uses T5 for most of its software modules. We have more than 100 000 paying custumers. Works great and is great fun! On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 AM, Chuck Kring wrote: > For what it's worth, Tapestry provides an embedded user interface for a > medical device. > > We received FDA 510k

Re: Discussion

21 December, 2010 16:58:55 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: Discussion > Is Tapestry really used for serious projects? Without trying to sound too aloof or flippant, the answer is: Yes. Not all of us can advertise the projects we work on, but T5 is definitely us

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For what it's worth, Tapestry provides an embedded user interface for a medical device. We received FDA 510k clearance last fall and are working on the final details before our 1.0 release. This is deployed on a Linux appliance and mostly consists of Jetty, Tapestry, HSQLDB, Chenillekit, Spr

Re: Discussion

I am using Tapestry on a project that manages humanitarian aid delivery, and I think it's serious enough. Not only is Tapestry used for serious projects, it's also for serious developers. Tapestry does come with a steep learning curve, and it requires you to unlearn many old ways of doing things. I

Re: Discussion

> Is Tapestry really used for serious projects? Without trying to sound too aloof or flippant, the answer is: Yes. Not all of us can advertise the projects we work on, but T5 is definitely used for serious projects. mrg - To uns

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I have problems taking someone seriously who bases his argumentation on the looks of one of the developers and on exaggerated (indicator of bad reasoning) vague claims (bad reasoning) of many (bad reasoning, come up with better statistics) experiences. I would rather see compelling arguments ag

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We run http://www.yanomo.com on tapestry 5. Features business critical project management and invoicing. Sounds serious enough to me ;-) I have also worked on a project using tap5 on clustered servers handling millions of requests a day. Having tried numurous frameworks I stuck with Tapetsry b

Re: Discussion

On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 08:48:23 -0200, George Banus wrote: Hi, Hi! I am a newbie to Tapestry and while googling to learn more about tapestry, I found this discussion going on at http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=61537. Some of the comments look very disappointing. Th

Re: Discussion

On 21.12.2010 11:48, George Banus wrote: > Is Tapestry really used for serious projects? We use Tapestry to build the core of our student information system. Term enrollments, course enrollments, grades, exams, class schedules. Having in mind that the students are studying computer science - and t

RE: Discussion

Some people just have an enormous chip on their shoulder and love to shout about it. There are some pretty serious projects out there using Tapestry, if I'm not mistaken. I don't see why someone wouldn't have it on their short-list of choices if starting a project. I think the only serious point

Re: Discussion

Well there's one person there who had negative comments. At the end of the day different people will prefer different frameworks - perhaps some aspect of a framework is more suited to particular project requirements, or maybe more generally suits a person's way of thinking or code style. For me I

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

One more thing, I've added Geonames to ping service to measure its performance and got the following statistics: Was made 47 requests (one for every 15 minutes) with average response time 750 ms. During this period I got some bad responses: {"status":{"message":"the hourly limit of 3000 credits f

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

Yeah, i guess each his own. Though the ip resolution way does seem "cleaner" in some ways, it does seem way more complicated in others.. and dependent on other services.. etc.. I guess we just realized that TimeZone Detector should be easily pluggable, to fit people's taste and requirements.

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

Here's the service description: http://www.geonames.org/export/web-services.html#timezone And JSON example for ping-service (XML is service also there): http://ws.geonames.org/timezoneJSON?lat=37.41&lng=-122.05 {"time":"2010-08-19 01:56"

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

In addition to my previous message: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/41504/timezone-lookup-from-latitude-longitude I will probably use this approach to determine initial client timezone since I'm already use URL/IP to location functionality there: http://github.com/dmitrygusev/ping-service/blob

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

I didn't use one, but I believe such service exists that resolves client timezone by client IP. Client IP -> Location -> TimeZone. And this all may be resolved in very first request. On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:43, Fernando Padilla wrote: > Since our apps deals with sports team schedules, timezo

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

Since our apps deals with sports team schedules, timezones are important for us. That's why I kept trying to suggest timezone support, whenever you discussed locale support. But your main question is how to determine a client's timezone. There is no http-header way to get it, and a Javascri

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

Hi, I do everything server side with the help of a custom TimeZoneAwareDatePicker wrapping your tapx datepicker. It takes a source (I store everything in UTC) and display timezone (the users timezone) to do the conversion. This suits me because I will almost always know my users timezone as they n

Re: DISCUSSION: Time zones and date selection

Hi Just an add, related issue was reported there https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-841 2010/8/7 Howard Lewis Ship > This is something that's been nagging me. Although there's a bunch of good > options for selecting a date (or date/time) as JavaScript components bult > into Tapestry, o

Re: Discussion

Il 26/12/2009 19:24, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo ha scritto: >> I think that what the newbie (like me) and the end-user/dev are >> expecting from T5+Tynamo is something like a "Drupal on steroids": a >> empty CMS (coming from a Maven archetype) that can be easily configured > > I beg to differ.

Re: Discussion

Em Thu, 24 Dec 2009 10:31:15 -0200, Alessandro Bottoni escreveu: Regarding this topics, let me remind the ML people that there are at least two projects that tries to supply Tapestry 5 with the remaining components needed to build a full-stack framework (or something like that): Tynamo (forme

Re: Discussion

Alfonso Quiroga wrote: ³Last, it would be good more components (ui components).² +1 , plus it really would be nice if it comes before the above javascript/prototype/jquery implementation/change: ³There's a plan not to switch from Prototype to jQuery. There's a plan to have JavaScript stacks, one

RE: Discussion

ni-its.com] On Behalf Of Piero > Sartini > Sent: 23 December 2009 17:42 > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: Discussion > > > Select models out of beans could be improved. My Tapestry CRUD > package has a > > solution for that. > > I know... but your CRUD packag

Re: Discussion

Il 23/12/2009 19:48, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo ha scritto: > Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:22:49 -0200, Piero Sartini >> I don't like it as well - but tapestry should provide an alternative. >> Maybe the question is if tapestry wants to be a full-stack framework >> or just deliver some building block

Re: Discussion

On 23.12.2009 22:37, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote: > Better documentation and examples are a very good idea. :) > Demo projects would really help. Something like the Guice introduction > would be nice. I hope we (our team) will soon agree with the licencing issues of our own project and open

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> Agreed. Don't forget to check the third-party packages in the Tapestry home > page. Talking about these.. It would be great to tag them defining what they are about: * projects using tapestry (like InterLDAP) * projects providing extensions * showcase / tutorial projects Outdated: * Godcode Co

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:19:17 -0200, Alfonso Quiroga escreveu: Hi! very interesting thread. I use T5 since 1 year aprox, and it's true that T-IOC was the first "wall" I had, now I understand it and I like it a lot (my system does NOT use spring, all with t-ioc). I don't know which is the solut

Re: Discussion

Hi! very interesting thread. I use T5 since 1 year aprox, and it's true that T-IOC was the first "wall" I had, now I understand it and I like it a lot (my system does NOT use spring, all with t-ioc). I don't know which is the solution, because there is documentation about t-ioc, but maybe more docu

Re: Discussion

A few thoughts from this discussion: Tapestry site needs: 1. immediately visible search field over all valuable resources, like wiki. We were discussing custom google search that makes it. 2. A few more diagrams, like http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry5.1/images/component-render-states.png

Re: Discussion

> Wicket itself doesn't. Nor does JSF. (all this as far as I know and I google > it) JSF does not qualify as framework IMHO. Seam brings security. Agreed on chenillekit. By the way, it would be nice to have something like wicketstuff.org :-) > Regarding JDO, its implementations need for class en

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:37:24 -0200, Piero Sartini escreveu: For me, authentication is an important part of a web framework and should provide some standard way to do so. Wicket itself doesn't. Nor does JSF. (all this as far as I know and I google it) There is a third-party package for W

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> More freedom, more control, more complex. Quite hard to avoid that. Agreed. The challange is to define what parts need to be customized often, and should be easy to change. For me, these bubbles should be easy to change.. but as always, others may have a different oppinion. > I cannot speak fo

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:22:49 -0200, Piero Sartini escreveu: I wrote that because of the @PersistenceContext. That's the only thing, AFAIK, that would be different from tapestry-hibernate. From a users perspective, its a matter of injecting EntityManager instead of hibernate's Session. In th

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> I wrote that because of the @PersistenceContext. That's the only thing, > AFAIK, that would be different from tapestry-hibernate. >From a users perspective, its a matter of injecting EntityManager instead of hibernate's Session. In the module itself there are more changes. > You can do this in

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:42:20 -0200, Piero Sartini escreveu: I know... but your CRUD package is not tapestry. It's a Tapestry extension that I plan to contribute to Tapestry itself when is good enough (a.k.a. it has unit tests). That's your oppinion... my feeling is the opposite. On its

Re: Discussion

> Select models out of beans could be improved. My Tapestry CRUD package has a > solution for that. I know... but your CRUD package is not tapestry. > You're talking about a snapshot. This behaviour was changed and now > everything in the context is allowed. Hey.. this was no complain, you asked

Re: Discussion

t; > > -Original Message----- > From: Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo [mailto:thiag...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22 December 2009 15:26 > To: Tapestry users > Subject: Re: Discussion > > Em Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:20 -0200, Banchi Liko > escreveu: > >> Hi guys, > &

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 12:07:21 -0200, Alessandro Bottoni escreveu: Hence, the relatively scarce fame of Tapestry can be considered a problem in itself. If few people know Tapestry and few people write few code and support it, then the whole framework became less palatable. Maybe, we should do s

Re: Discussion

Il 23/12/2009 13:45, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo ha scritto: > I think you're looking for the cause in the wrong places. I guess these > integratiosn weren't written just because, unfortunately, Tapestry is > not very well-known, so few people use it and write extensions and > integrations. Hen

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:20:41 -0200, Piero Sartini escreveu: What concepts exactly? Starting in the frontend, there are concepts like the static structure, dynamic behaviour, the Environment and the Assets which are hard to get. Thats what I remind of fighting with some months ago. Also the

Re: Discussion

> There's also JavaConfig and use of annotations instead of XML, but > Tapestry-IoC still looks better to me. And Spring doesn't have distributed > configuration. At the time I had a look at Spring it didn't have this ;-) > What I meant is that it is hard to find your >> way around the IoC concep

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:14:53 -0200, Alessandro Bottoni escreveu: As a newbie, I have to say that learning Tapestry (5) is actually a little bit more complicated than what you could expect after having read the available "marketing" documentation. This is a known issue. Maybe this (apparen

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:13:59 -0200, escreveu: Please give us some examples of hard-to-build modules. Distributed configuration is great for something simple, but to use it for something more involved can be tricky, for example Tapestry IoC provides the platform for developing IoC services,

Re: Discussion

Il 23/12/2009 11:28, Piero Sartini ha scritto: >> I have an idea, may be a controversial one. I've seen much about Tapestry >> and think it's a nice Framework. But what I still don't understand is why >> it's not widely in use. It existed before Wicket but Wicket is far more >> popular. I don't thi

Re: Discussion

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Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:20:05 -0200, Piero Sartini escreveu: I never liked Spring because of its XML configuration. There's also JavaConfig and use of annotations instead of XML, but Tapestry-IoC still looks better to me. And Spring doesn't have distributed configuration. I like guice

Re: Discussion

>> I've also thought about this, and my only conclusion is that Tapestry is >> too difficult to master. Especially when it comes to tapestry-ioc and >> getting productive with it. > > What exactly is difficult to master? I think Tapestry-IoC is easier to learn > than Spring. > Maybe there's a sensa

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:28:35 -0200, Piero Sartini escreveu: I am not sure if it is possible or not to integrate CDI without breaking backwards compatibility... but it is something we should find out. Agreed. :) I've also thought about this, and my only conclusion is that Tapestry is too

Re: Discussion

, but when you do learn it, it is so simple its sick. regards, Peter - Original Message - From: "Piero Sartini" To: "Tapestry users" Sent: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009 12:28:35 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut, Bucharest, Istanbul Subject: Re: Discussion > Having see

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> Having seen some discussions in the past about the history of Tapestry, I'm > wondering what the status of Tapestry with CDI support will be. In other > words, is it again going to result a new major release incompatible with > previous versions? I think CDI in it's current form, if should be sup

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:21:23 -0200, Peter Stavrinides escreveu: There's a recent discussion about that in the dev mailing list. Everyone is invited. :) Thiago could you provide a link perhaps? Yes! :) http://old.nabble.com/JSR-229%2C-JSR-330-and-other-integrations-to26857781.html -- Th

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:59:47 -0200, Gerald Bauer escreveu: Lutz, Hi! Having seen some discussions in the past about the history of Tapestry, I'm wondering what the status of Tapestry with CDI support will be. In other words, is it again going to result a new major release incompatibl

Re: Discussion

, retain or redistribute it. Please visit http://www.albourne.com/email.html for important additional terms relating to this e-mail. - Original Message - From: "Gerald Bauer" To: "Tapestry users" Sent: Wednesday, 23 December, 2009 11:59:47 GMT +02:00 Athens, Beirut,

Re: Discussion

Lutz, Having seen some discussions in the past about the history of Tapestry, I'm wondering what the status of Tapestry with CDI support will be. In other words, is it again going to result a new major release incompatible with previous versions? I think CDI in it's current form, if should be supp

Re: Discussion

Em Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:25:14 -0200, Lutz Hühnken escreveu: Hi everybody, Hi! So the interesting (to me, at least) questions are: - How does CDI relate to Tapesty and Tapestry IOC? - Should / could Tapestry incorporate / conform to CDI somehow? - Should we try to add Tapestry support to We

Re: Discussion

Hi everybody, I think the discussion on TheServerSide actually is somewhat interesting, but not because of the unfortunate Tapestry vs. Wicket flame war. Let's have a look at the topic leading to that... - One part of Java EE 6 is "CDI" (JSR 299) - http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=299 - originall

RE: Discussion

engage them in an argument. Merry Xmas everyone. -Original Message- From: Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo [mailto:thiag...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 December 2009 15:26 To: Tapestry users Subject: Re: Discussion Em Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:20 -0200, Banchi Liko escreveu: > Hi guys, Hi! >

Re: Discussion

Em Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:53:46 -0200, Gerald Bauer escreveu: Robert, You need to be a Tapestry evangelist as well. Remember, Howard wants to make money- he wants to strike it rich. Please co-operate to make his dream come true. Don't be a free loader, man! Gerald, I hope you're being s

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Robert, You need to be a Tapestry evangelist as well. Remember, Howard wants to make money- he wants to strike it rich. Please co-operate to make his dream come true. Don't be a free loader, man! On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Robert Zeigler wrote: > I like to think that's because the Tapes

Re: Discussion

I like to think that's because the Tapestry users are using Tapestry to be productive, instead of just talking about it making them productive. ;) But we could all certainly step our publicity up a bit. Cheers, Robert On Dec 22, 2009, at 12/221:21 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: Exactly .

Re: Discussion

Exactly ... I have yet to figure out why the Tapestry community as a whole is somewhat passive whereas other communities (such as Wicket and Rails) are extremely vocal. Out in the larger world, the best impression of Tapestry comes not from its creators, but from its users, and the users do not tal

Re: Discussion

On 22.12.2009 17:41, Alfonso Quiroga wrote: > I agree with Thiago, but I've never used Wicket. I've used tapestry5 > and I really like it. Both frameworks are component-based, maybe some > day I'll try wicket. But if tap5 works for me... why do I have to > discuss in server-side? I prefer to share

Re: Discussion

I agree with Thiago, but I've never used Wicket. I've used tapestry5 and I really like it. Both frameworks are component-based, maybe some day I'll try wicket. But if tap5 works for me... why do I have to discuss in server-side? I prefer to share my solutions and workarounds in this list, where the

Re: Discussion

Em Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:45:20 -0200, Banchi Liko escreveu: Hi guys, Hi! There is a discussion going on here http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=58858 and seems like Tapestry ihas already been ruled out as a viable and serious web framework. TheServerSide comments h

Re: discussion: why-did-you-stop-using-tapestry

Em Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:12:10 -0300, Sergey Didenko escreveu: I think it would be interesting for us to read this discussion, just to concentrate again on what can be improved in T5. Also good comments can help the public image of T5. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1303438/why-did-you-stop