Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-22 Thread Werner Keil
Katia, I'm neither obsessed with ATG or Oracle, nor with SpringSource and their products (as some may feel a little bit about Matt's ranking [?]) just putting some of the more "Vertical" or Business capable examples into a much smaller list, than he did there with a whole lot of different framewor

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-22 Thread Katia Aresti
@Werner : It might be a matter of my low English level, but I can't even understand the half of your thoughts. Moreover, I still don't get your obsession with ATG, which is a commercial product not a framework and which has a very very very expensive license. But It doesn't matter, I quit this poi

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-22 Thread Werner Keil
Back to the DevoXX discussion, it has clearly lost some momentum now, that JavaOne was moved to the Sep/Oct timeslot, and DevoXX itself was even shifted almost a month itself. While even the announcements and great news of last year (Java getting Closures[?]) were not as close to becoming reality a

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-22 Thread Werner Keil
Thanks for sharing those. >From the "complete stack" point of view, it clearly exceeds Tapestry, Spring MVC, Seam and most others, but given the aggressive product policy SpringSource/vmware follows with almost everything wrapped in Spring now (yesterday Social Networking, today Android) they have

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-21 Thread Katia Aresti
I know ATG, I worked with the product for a couple of years, I didn't know oracle purchased ATG. You can not compare ATG with any other fw described by Matt Raidle, neither Tapestry at all. ATG is a full stack e-commerce solution, portal, publishing. And not opensource at all, but J2EE standard. T

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-21 Thread Werner Keil
ATG Web Framework, a commercial solution from a company just purchased by Oracle. Some of its features were described as superior to Spring Framework, which its stakeholders clearly deny. It is not Open Source, but others, especially Seam are.

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-21 Thread Katia Aresti
2010/11/21 Werner Keil > It got more than JSF [?] > > Although Oracle was to some extent present, since it was forced to change > its name from JavaPolis, DevoXX hasn't been quite the same any more. While > still called JavaPolis I noticed, the rather aggressive style of a Rails > speaker, and it

Re: My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-21 Thread Werner Keil
It got more than JSF [?] Although Oracle was to some extent present, since it was forced to change its name from JavaPolis, DevoXX hasn't been quite the same any more. While still called JavaPolis I noticed, the rather aggressive style of a Rails speaker, and it may not bee too surprising, All the

My response to Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010

2010-11-21 Thread Igor Drobiazko
Hi all, some of us were kind of shocked by Tapestry grades in Matt Raible's presentation at Devoxx 2010. I feel like a public answer is needed. Here is my response to Matt: http://blog.tapestry5.de/index.php/2010/11/21/response-to-matt-raibles-presentation-at-devoxx-2010/ -- Best re

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-18 Thread Werner Keil
Those who are there, try to attend the round table "Future of Java" including Stephen Colebourne, JCP EC Member Josh Bloch and others, which may also shed light on the recently filed Java JSRs for SE7 and beyond. Josh may not be allowed to speak so freely, as is the Oracle representative for obvio

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-16 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
Wish I was there! On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Katia Aresti wrote: > Ok, > > let's say 13:10 in front of the stairs :) > > see you all tomorrow !!! > > Katia > > 2010/11/16 Igor Drobiazko > > > Ok, let meet there at lunch time. > > > > I think I'll wear a shirt with a very big Tapestry logo

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-16 Thread Katia Aresti
Ok, let's say 13:10 in front of the stairs :) see you all tomorrow !!! Katia 2010/11/16 Igor Drobiazko > Ok, let meet there at lunch time. > > I think I'll wear a shirt with a very big Tapestry logo to be recognized :) > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Katia Aresti > wrote: > > > Hi, > >

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-16 Thread Igor Drobiazko
Ok, let meet there at lunch time. I think I'll wear a shirt with a very big Tapestry logo to be recognized :) On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Katia Aresti wrote: > Hi, > > For the place, we can meet at lunch time on the front door stairs. (in the > entry) > We can meet there before or after ca

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-15 Thread Katia Aresti
Hi, For the place, we can meet at lunch time on the front door stairs. (in the entry) We can meet there before or after catching a sandwich :) (13:00, 13:15, 13:30) As you wish Katia 2010/11/14 Igor Drobiazko > I guess we can meet on Wednesday during the lunch (between 13:00 and > 14:00). > >

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-14 Thread Igor Drobiazko
I guess we can meet on Wednesday during the lunch (between 13:00 and 14:00). Those who arrive at Devoxx on Monday can find a good place to meet and post it here. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Oliver Geisser wrote: > Hi Igor, > > I will be there from wednesday to friday, too. > > Any idea where

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-09 Thread Oliver Geisser
Hi Igor, I will be there from wednesday to friday, too. Any idea where to meet? Greetings Oliver 2010/11/8 Igor Drobiazko > Hi folks, > > next week is Devoxx in Antwerp. Who is actually there? > > I'll be there for 3 days from Wednesday to Friday. Hope to meet some > Tapestry folks. > > -- >

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-09 Thread Katia Aresti
2010/11/9 Werner Keil > So is James Gosling, creator of Java [?] > Apparently, James Gosling is not coming, sadly he is sick :( :( > And the Spec Lead of Java EE 6, Roberto also withdrew his participation. > > The only non-US Individual JCP Executive Committee Member (SE/EE) being me > is also

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-09 Thread Werner Keil
So is James Gosling, creator of Java [?] And the Spec Lead of Java EE 6, Roberto also withdrew his participation. The only non-US Individual JCP Executive Committee Member (SE/EE) being me is also not able to come, as I work in India till arond Christmas. However, Google EC-member Josh Bloch and

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-08 Thread Katia Aresti
Hi, I will be there all the week. Regards, Katia 2010/11/8 Joachim Van der Auwera > I will be there all week. > > > On 11/08/2010 08:35 PM, Igor Drobiazko wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> next week is Devoxx in Antwerp. Who is actually there? >> >> I'll be there for 3 days from Wednesday to Friday

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-08 Thread Joachim Van der Auwera
I will be there all week. On 11/08/2010 08:35 PM, Igor Drobiazko wrote: Hi folks, next week is Devoxx in Antwerp. Who is actually there? I'll be there for 3 days from Wednesday to Friday. Hope to meet some Tapestry folks.

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-08 Thread Christophe Cordenier
Hi I'll be there too from Wednesday to Friday, hope to meet you and others there ! 2010/11/8 Igor Drobiazko > Hi folks, > > next week is Devoxx in Antwerp. Who is actually there? > > I'll be there for 3 days from Wednesday to Friday. Hope to meet some > Tapestry folks. > > -- > Best regards, >

Re: Devoxx 2010

2010-11-08 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
I'm afraid I'm not going to be there this year. On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Igor Drobiazko wrote: > Hi folks, > > next week is Devoxx in Antwerp. Who is actually there? > > I'll be there for 3 days from Wednesday to Friday. Hope to meet some > Tapestry folks. > > -- > Best regards, > > Igor

Devoxx 2010

2010-11-08 Thread Igor Drobiazko
Hi folks, next week is Devoxx in Antwerp. Who is actually there? I'll be there for 3 days from Wednesday to Friday. Hope to meet some Tapestry folks. -- Best regards, Igor Drobiazko http://tapestry5.de