Katia,

I'm neither obsessed with ATG or Oracle, nor with SpringSource and their
products (as some may feel a little bit about Matt's ranking [?]) just
putting some of the more "Vertical" or Business capable examples into a much
smaller list, than he did there with a whole lot of different frameworks
both in- and outside the browser.

If you'd claim anything I was especially interested in, that "Domain Driven"
or "Vertical" aspect of some frameworks is clearly among them. I help shape
some framworks or base libraries even the "darlings" like Grails or Spring
like to use sometimes, and some of them are likely to get a slightly wider
use from Java 7 onwards...

Werner

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Katia Aresti <katiaare...@gmail.com>wrote:

> @Werner :
>
> It might be a matter of my low English level, but I can't even understand
> the half of your thoughts. Moreover, I still don't get your obsession with
> ATG, which is a commercial product not a framework and which has a very very
> very expensive license.
> But It doesn't matter, I quit this pointless discussion with this last
> sentence:
> maybe you are right and I will come back to ATG product one day, with
> glassfish or maybe *Wickestry IoC*.
> However, what I really hope is to come back to real world Tapestry 5 actual
> work :)
>
> Katia
>
> 2010/11/22 Werner Keil <werner.k...@gmail.com>
>
> Back to the DevoXX discussion, it has clearly lost some momentum now, that
>> JavaOne was moved to the Sep/Oct timeslot, and DevoXX itself was even
>> shifted almost a month itself. While even the announcements and great news
>> of last year (Java getting Closures[?]) were not as close to becoming
>> reality as it then may have sounded, everything discussed or presented this
>> year on Java was only the aftermath of JavaOne. The JSRs being out just this
>> week probably being the only "gossip" for the bloggers and "Parvez Hiltons"
>> of the Java Community who have gathered there much more than on JavaOne or
>> other conferences by the vendors itself.
>>
>> Guess Matt has moved himself a step closer to such "Parvenism" with that
>> presentation ?[?]
>>
>
>

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