My advice? Stop wasting your valuable time on this dead but walking project
that only 5 people worldwide are using. Given alternatives like Angular
(yes, there is a server side option too, not just SPA), React, Vue, Ember,
etc., who in their right mind uses Tapestry in this day and age? Get a life
WOW, after all these years with so many new developments on the Java and
web front, is Tapestry still on version 5 branch? Is this really a serious
project or still a garage one? Thiago and the sect members, please GROW!
On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 1:54 PM Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail
Carlos,
Number of users per day or month is not a relevant metric to use to
determine how scalable or performant Tapestry is. It's about the number of
concurrent users per second or minute that is relevant. Do you have those
numbers too?
The medium article was not referring to end users of Tapestr
Hey Tapestry people,
I just read an article on Medium comparing server side web frameworks that
claims Tapestry is used by no more than 17 people worldwide. Wow, that was
really shocking to me, but not a surprise though. Thiago, are you not
wasting your time on a framework used by such a few peopl
Wow, it's 2021 and Tapestry is still on 5.x.x release branch? For god's
sake, *Tapestry 5 has existed since 2007- that is about 14 years old. *
And you end your message with Happy coding. Happy coding with that
dinosaur? Give us a break, man!
On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 10:30 PM Thiago H. de Paula Fig
You really think that is a big milestone?
Tapestry is stuck with version 5.x.x for more than a decade. Check around
and see the innovations other frameworks are making. Don't be a blind cult
follower. Look around- there are way better frameworks for server side
rendering. Tapestry is stuck in the s
That is a very good decision, Hristo. Probably even better is to ask your
company to re-write all that Tapestry shit in Angular. Tapestry is so
arcane and has a very few cult-like followers. Even the founder, Howard
Lewis Ship, realized how bad the framework is and is now using Angular on
all his p
Dude, going back to your roots... did I read that correctly? Why waste your
time on a framework that is dying a slow death? Even the founder of
Tapestry, Howard Lewis Ship, has abandoned it and never came back.
There are fine modern frameworks out there in the wild. I guess you are
coming back to T
wrote:
> Emmanuel Sowah - I think you deserve some form of long service award.
> You've been hating on Tapestry for over 13 years now. Way to hold a grudge
> dude!
>
> https://wiki.apache.org/tapestry/Tapestry5Trolls
>
> On Wed, 19 Jun 2019, 10:18 am Emmanuel Sowa
re’s also the fact that
> tapestry apps can be developed by any Java developer without a need for
> much additional JS expertise.
>
> Can’t really compare apples and oranges.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 19 Jun 2019, at 16:18, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>
Of course it's understandable that they are going to deprecate it. What
kind of creatures are you still stuck to a failed and stone-age framework
like Tapestry? Even the original creator, Howard Lewis Ship, has abandoned
it for better frameworks like React, Angular and Wicket. Guys, wake up and
sto
ork ;)
>
>
>
> > Le 27 nov. 2018 à 13:36, Emmanuel Sowah a écrit :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is a snippet from skills Howard Lewis Ship's listed on his website
> > http://howardlewisship.com/:
> >
> > "*On the front-end, I'v
gt;
> Sometimes the “new” way is still the old way.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 27 Nov 2018, at 03:06, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> >
> > Thiago,
> >
> > It seems you cannot read English. I was suggesting Angular and Spring
> > backend services being exposed
Lewis
Ship did. So jump off the ship now before he does.
On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 12:33 PM Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:13 PM Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>
> > Thiago,
> >
> > It seems you cannot read English.
>
>
iredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 6:24 AM Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>
> > There we go again. Instead of engaging in constructive arguments, you
> > behave like a child with comments like "Don't feed the trolls". Pathetic.
> >
&
Rafael
>
> P.S. Don’t feed the trolls.
>
>
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 9:17 AM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> >
> > But is web application framework not an overkill for this small
> application
> > you are building? Something you could quickly do with Angular in a mor
; >
> > Have a nice day.
> > Numa
> >
> >
> > <http://www.dfacto.ch/>Numa Schmederwww.dfacto.ch <
> http://www.dfacto.ch/>
> > n...@dfacto.ch <mailto:n...@dfacto.ch> | M +41 79 538 30 01
> >
> > DIGITAL STRATEGY |
etc...
>
> Have a nice day.
> Numa
>
>
> <http://www.dfacto.ch/> Numa Schmederwww.dfacto.ch <
> http://www.dfacto.ch/>
> n...@dfacto.ch <mailto:n...@dfacto.ch> | M +41 79 538 30 01
>
> DIGITAL STRATEGY | DESIGN | DEVE
ack
> office data entry is still very efficient.
>
> Angular is a glorified java script library, not a web application
> framework.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 26 Nov 2018, at 14:09, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> >
> > Dude,
> >
> > Really setting u
Dude,
Really setting up tapestry for a new project? Are you out of your mind?
Tapestry is a dying project, even it's founder Howard Lewis Ship has
abandoned his ship long ago and jumped onto another modern framework.
Pickup Angular or another modern framework for your new project.
Cheers.
On Mon,
e:
>>>
>>> Thiago, I have an idea.
>>>>
>>>> Why don't we ban this poor excuse of an idiot from a mailing list and
>>>> address real problems latest release has?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Thiag
> To: Svein-Erik Løken
> > Subject: Re: Tapestry is a sinking Ship
> >
> > Thiago, I have an idea.
> >
> > Why don't we ban this poor excuse of an idiot from a mailing list and
> > address real problems latest release has?
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 1
Hi Tapestry sect,
The state of Tapestry now is very bad, as Howard and all the other commiters
have abandoned it. Tapestry is now a sinking ship, and Mr Ship himself has
abandoned this sinking ship.
Over the years, I have been predicting the fall of Tapestry. Because I saw
early on that the fr
esentation layer. Contact me privately and I
would share with you that Howard's secret.
Thiago, how many more weeks or months left for you also to abandon
Tapestry?
On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 07:53:
> the world.
> Thank you !
> I hope you don't have to suffer like him on a cross.
>
>
> Il 12/02/2016 10:53, Emmanuel Sowah ha scritto:
> > Basile,
> >
> > You must be foolish to call me a troll. You folks here at Tapestry fail
> to
> > look beyond you
Thiago,
What do you mean by "non-Howard committers"? Why are you dividing? I
thought there were only 2 groups, committers and non-committers. Stop that
childish act and be brave enough to accept the blame. This release indeed
sucks. Tapestry sucks as a whole. Why waste other people's time to ask t
Basile,
You must be foolish to call me a troll. You folks here at Tapestry fail to
look beyond your small and narrow-minded community. You behave like a sect.
Even your sect leader, Howard Lewis Ship, has recently been enlightened and
have left Tapestry. You guys are now struggling with the pieces
Folks,
This is why you should drop Tapestry ASAP, and head to a more serious and
state of the art frameworks. Tapestry is meant for POCs and prototypes that
you plan to throw away. Even Howard doesn't use Tapestry anymore. He uses
Wicket. Tapestry is just a joke.
Cheers
On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4
Hi Thiago,
How are you today?
I know being a Tapestry coder is not easy to make enough money to pay the
bills and I can understand why you're struggling. The fact of the matter is
that Tapestry is not used by serious companies or in serious projects.
Tapestry is dead. By dead I don't mean no one
And while here, Mr. Ship, I want to congratulate you on your recent moves
on Wicket. Except that I'm unhappy you're not being honest about it to your
cult members. I hope you one day develop some courage and face up to your
cult members about your using of Wicket on your clients projects.
Cheers,
Dude,
Glad you've finally found out yourself that following and coding Tapestry
won't pay the bills. It's a failed framework and nobody is using it for
serious work.
If you really want to earn serious cash that would pay the bills, take a
serious look at other serious frameworks like Apache Wicket
s today. :)
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > >
> > > From: "ICE Ernesto Arteaga Zavala"
> > > To: "Tapestry users"
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 1:03:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Web frameworks
> >
it confidential so no
need to worry.
I'm still working on the blog post. I will post the link here on the
mailing list after I publish it.
Again, thanks to all that mailed me their contributions.
Cheers
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> Tapestr
Hi guys,
Tapestry did not make it to a recent Web frameworks report released by
Zeroturnaround found here:
http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-2014-decision-makers-guide-to-java-web-frameworks/
.
This to me, and many others, is the clearest evidence yet that Tapestry has
failed and that Tapes
Howard,
Replace the 'H' in Howard and it becomes a Coward, which you really are.
Instead of taking on the facts I've exposed and address them to the
satisfaction of your cult members, you opted the easy way out by labelling
me a troll and ignoring the facts.
Now you have another opportunity to add
ry did. So go figure
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>
> > Well, hearing you, it seems like you use Tapestry in an informal
> hobby-like
> > projects. If it's the case then sorry for troubling you. Use Tapestry as
> it
> >
ov 20, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:04:30 -0200, Emmanuel Sowah
> wrote:
>
> Don't listen to Thiago, he is just blowing hot air. Tapestry is no more
>> relevant, as can be seen in the article:
>
t to choice what they want. Tapestry is a tool
> just a
> > > tool, you can pick another one if you dont like it. People have
> different
> > > needs, expectations, desires and they chose tapestry you dont and that
> is
> > > fine
> > >
> >
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>
> > Well, there are too few ( 20 or so?) Tapestry users to warrant a Facebook
> > page. So I think this is the best place to enlighten people.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16
I won't cite anything about that interview. Let Howard do that himself.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:04:30 -0200, Emmanuel Sowah
> wrote:
>
> Don't listen to Thiago, he is just
Please, stop that. Wicket also does live class reloading but it's covered
by the article. You seem to not know much about Wicket, right?
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:04:30 -0200, Emmanuel
t; ones like us using tapestry.
> Create your little Facebook page name it "Tapestry sucks" add a "I dislike
> it too" button or something else and we all can continue with more serious
> stuff.
>
> Jens
>
>
> Am 20.11.13 22:12, schrieb Emmanuel Sowah
Really? Well, it's your problem then. I can't force you of course. Good
luck though.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Alexander Sommer <
alexander.som...@gmail.com> wrote:
> no, i am just eager on updates! ;-)
>
>
>
>
> 2013/11/20 Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
>
> > On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:15:04
gt;
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
>
> > Guys,
> >
> > Don't listen to Thiago, he is just blowing hot air. Tapestry is no more
> > relevant, as can be seen in the article:
> >
> >
> http://zeroturnaround.com/reb
omised land (Tapestry) and
> > feels
> > >> bad about it. (Like the guy who never gets invited to parties).
> > >>> - Original Message -
> > >>> From: Lance Java
> > >>> To: Tapestry users
> > >>> Sent: Monday, Nove
PM, Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo <
thiag...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 17:52:09 -0200, Emmanuel Sowah
> wrote:
>
> You Tapestry aficionados are just some radicals who are blind to see the
>> reality.
>>
>
> Says the guys who loved to post abou
frameworks
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure why... but for some reason a random user comes on this
> > tapestry list about once a year spreading FUD with a message similar to
> > this one. I've never really understood why... Please ignore this thread.
> >
> &g
Hi guys,
There is a great report that compares web frameworks and can be found here:
http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-2014-decision-makers-guide-to-java-web-frameworks/
To my surprise, Tapestry didn't make it to the list. This makes me very
nervous to even consider Tapestry for our upcomin
Hi guys,
Is it me, or you too have noticed an active participation of Howard in the
answering of questions here on the list in recent
times?
In the past when Tapestry was popular his ego and pompous attitude made him
feel too high to even bother to read people's request for help.
But now with the
Hugo,
So you think you have the greatest business model with this Loomy thing and
that you and your company would be making millions?
How many Tapestry users are there? Stop dreaming, baby.
On Feb 8, 2008 5:30 PM, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's very much active but not as TapIDEA.
On Feb 1, 2008 12:27 PM, Robin Helgelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2008 12:14 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, I don't know if they are great committers, else they could have
> chosen
> > the challenging path of making
That Hibernate 3 isn't backward compatible with 2 is not true. That package
naming issues is a minor one you could easily fix yourself. But the issues
that hinder one from smooth migration from T4 to T5 is enormous and is an
almost impossible task to achieve for less genius people. It needs a true
On Feb 1, 2008 11:51 AM, Robin Helgelin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2008 11:46 AM, Davor Hrg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > tapestry has a good community, and an active mailing list...
> > I'm not worried ...
>
> Don't forget we have Howard, Jesse and few other great committers. :)
We
Hi Tapestry afficianados,
There is a new article at theserverside.com written by Carlos Perez entitled
"Top five Java Technologies to learn in 2008". Regarding the hype on
Tapestry 5 and it's "innovative" label Howard has assigned it, I couldn't
see it on the list.
Also, the discussions on this ar
On Jan 29, 2008 12:30 AM, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Jan 28, 2008 5:47 AM, HHB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi.
> > Why Tapestry5 came with its own DI container? why not using Spring or
> Guice
> > as the default container?
> > What are the advantages of T5 DI containe
Hi,
I read some time back that unlike T4, T5 would treat Spring as a first
citizen.
However, I've been struggling in making T5 work smoothly with Spring. Anyone
out there has had luck with this?
I'm now fed up and this is for me a wake up call to go look at some of the
other
ambitious and innovati
ct for the users that constructively seek to support and use
> this framework, and out of respect for your own professional profile,
> please stop with such messages.
>
> sincerely,
> chris
>
> Emmanuel Sowah wrote:
> > Wao, this Wicket framework is becoming hotter
Wao, this Wicket framework is becoming hotter and hotter each day. Worth
taking a serious look at it.
On Jan 2, 2008 9:06 PM, Jan Vissers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://wicket.apache.org/
>
> Apart from wicket also switching to slf4j, the new version now also
> supports JSR-168/JSR-286. Appa
Howard,
Well, left me alone, I would say instead of the effort to support Portlets
in T5, spend that in making T5 backward compatible to T4 and T3. You would
save many people a lot of misery in migrating.
E.
On Dec 28, 2007 11:24 PM, Howard Lewis Ship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's really th
I also have many problems trying to integrate T5 with spring. Scary!!!
On Dec 19, 2007 7:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm new to Tapestry. I've been wanting to take a look at it for some time,
> and have a bit of time here at the end of the year. I've started with
> Howard's tutorial for
And is that all T5 can do? This is very embarrassing indeed.
On Dec 14, 2007 7:01 PM, Jonathan Glanz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you'd like to see a new.site based on t5 goto www.wingmanfinder.com its
> 100 percent free, so its just an example of what t5 can do
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
-- Forwarded message --
From: Emmanuel Sowah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Dec 6, 2007 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: T5: Anyone using PageTester?
To: Tapestry users
Howard,
I'm using PageTester as well so be warned and don't break things.
I think this habit of yours of bre
Howard,
I'm using PageTester as well so be warned and don't break things.
I think this habit of yours of breaking things you think should be done
differently is bad indeed. It is this habit that had endured sufferings and
almost an impossible task for anyone trying to migrate from any pre T5 to
T
No, I don't think so.
E.
On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 PM, James Sherwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a way in T3 to make your session last until the browser is
> closed?
>
> Thanks,
> --James
>
> -
> To unsubscribe,
Guys,
I read somewhere on the net that there is a Tap 5 book in the works. Where
can I get drafts of this work in progress and when would it be released?
Regards,
Emmanuel
hly suspect.
Good for them for getting some good press. They get beaten up a lot so
I think it's good that some positive articles are floating around out
there for them.
On 12/20/06, Emmanuel Sowah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I came across this article
> http://
Hi Guys,
I came across this article
http://www.infoq.com/news/2006/12/wicket-vs-springmvc-and-jsf and thought
probably someone here could comment. Is Tapestry really losing the battle
against Wicket?
Emmanuel
Hi all,
Geoff Longman, our Spindle man and former Tapestry commiter has written an
article on how to integrate Google Web Toolkit into a generated Tapestry
page.
http://www.cleancode.com/blog/2006/12/13/glongman/gwt-article/
Enjoy.
Emmanuel
Sorry, the right link is:
https://beta.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=266226734789322024
On 12/13/06, Emmanuel Sowah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Jesse,
The nice comment you posted on Howard's blog at
https://beta.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID
Hi Jesse,
The nice comment you posted on Howard's blog at
https://beta.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=266226734789322024to
defend Tapestry against the Wicket Morons has been marked as troll and
removed by Howard.
Do you two disagree so much with each other? It's a pity.
regards,
Emm
Hi Jesse,
I'm a Tapestry user and while googling today I found a message from you to
the Wicket user mailing list. Are you a commiter/user of Wicket as well?
Emmanuel
Hi,
Does anyone has a drag and drop tapestry component to share? Are there plans
to integrate dojo's drag and drop javascript into core tapestry?
Or can someone give me some guidelines as to how to do this in tapestry with
Dojo's javascript?
Thanks,
Emmanuel
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