Re: short-circuit ALL_TRUSTED

2017-05-02 Thread RW
trusted? yes internal? yes msa? no > > but I'm not clear how it decides if it should short circuit or not. > Can anyone clarify? > X-Spam-Status: No, ... UNPARSEABLE_RELAY It's because the other received header is not parseable, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY prevents ALL_TRUSTED from be

Re: short-circuit ALL_TRUSTED

2017-05-01 Thread David Jones
internal? yes msa? no >but I'm not clear how it decides if it should short circuit or not. Can >anyone clarify? >Here is an example: >Return-Path: >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on towhee.riseup.net >X-Spam-Level: * >X-Spam-Pyzor:=20 >X-Spa

Re: Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-05 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 11:03 -0800, John Hardin wrote: > On Sat, 5 Mar 2011, Chris wrote: > > > cdneumann > > , "cantrell, james" , > > "@pop.embarq.synacor.com>, \"ballard\", \"aajhp" > > > > The two look the same except for the last few entries where the one > > marked spam has the last few add

Re: Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-05 Thread John Hardin
On Sat, 5 Mar 2011, Chris wrote: cdneumann , "cantrell, james" , "@pop.embarq.synacor.com>, \"ballard\", \"aajhp" The two look the same except for the last few entries where the one marked spam has the last few addressees borked. Apparently something is intermittently adding the @pop.embarq.s

Re: Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-05 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 08:40 -0800, John Hardin wrote: > On Sat, 5 Mar 2011, Chris wrote: > > > In the example I posted I also see this in the To: headers when saved as > > a .txt file - "@pop.embarq.synacor.com>, \"ballard\", \"aajhp" > > > > > I see the same thing - > > "@pop.embarq.synacor.com

Re: Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-05 Thread John Hardin
On Sat, 5 Mar 2011, Chris wrote: In the example I posted I also see this in the To: headers when saved as a .txt file - "@pop.embarq.synacor.com>, \"ballard\", \"aajhp" I see the same thing - "@pop.embarq.synacor.com>, \"cantrell, james\", \"billybeckner\" , \"ballard\" , \"aajhp" , I have n

Re: Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-05 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 05:28 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 21:44 -0600, Chris Pollock wrote: > > Two posts from the same person, one hits on the short circuit rule the > > other doesn't. The line in my dkimwhitelist.cf is: > > >

Re: Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-04 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 21:44 -0600, Chris Pollock wrote: > Two posts from the same person, one hits on the short circuit rule the > other doesn't. The line in my dkimwhitelist.cf is: > > whitelist_from_dkim ellisf...@embarqmail.com > > Headers from one that did hit and one

Short Circuit USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST hits sometimes

2011-03-04 Thread Chris
Two posts from the same person, one hits on the short circuit rule the other doesn't. The line in my dkimwhitelist.cf is: whitelist_from_dkim ellisf...@embarqmail.com Headers from one that did hit and one that didn't are posted here: http://pastebin.com/j0j4pFb1 Anyone see a reaso

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-02-08 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:04:37 + Steve Freegard wrote: > Sure - credit where it is due; I've you to the 'Thanks' section. Thanks. And also, my apologies for posting to the list... that was supposed to be a private message. :( /me mutters something about email amateurs not understanding how e

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-02-08 Thread Steve Freegard
Hi David, On 08/02/11 15:57, David F. Skoll wrote: Hi, Steve, http://www.fsl.com/index.php/resources/whitepapers/99 Interesting. I think you should credit me for this: "Once that has been proven then that â is exempted from further greylisting for 40 days since it was last seen." Our CanI

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-02-08 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:47:12 + Steve Freegard wrote: > See http://www.fsl.com/index.php/resources/whitepapers/99 "Once that has been proven then that 'hostid' is exempted from further greylisting for 40 days since it was last seen." :) Our CanIt system has been doing this since at least 20

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-02-08 Thread David F. Skoll
Hi, Steve, > http://www.fsl.com/index.php/resources/whitepapers/99 Interesting. I think you should credit me for this: "Once that has been proven then that â is exempted from further greylisting for 40 days since it was last seen." Our CanIt system has been doing that since at least 2005, and

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-02-08 Thread Steve Freegard
On 19/01/11 15:02, David F. Skoll wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:56:47 -0500 Lee Dilkie wrote: The second was that I've found that the other spam-catching filtering is doing a much better job than it was years ago and turning off greylisting didn't adversely affect the amount of spam that got t

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-19 Thread Nels Lindquist
On 2011/01/18 9:49 AM, J4 wrote: > This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I > decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of > setting it. ;) ). > > Parse the SPAM during the SMPT session and use only RAM: Perfect. > > I would still li

Re: Suspicious URL:Re: Suspicious URL:Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Daniel McDonald
On 1/19/11 2:35 PM, "John Hardin" wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Daniel McDonald wrote: > >> On 1/19/11 10:17 AM, "John Hardin" wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Lee Dilkie wrote: >>> Don't get me wrong, I liked GL but there are a number of big ISPs that have quite long retry tim

Re: Suspicious URL:Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Daniel McDonald wrote: On 1/19/11 10:17 AM, "John Hardin" wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Lee Dilkie wrote: Don't get me wrong, I liked GL but there are a number of big ISPs that have quite long retry timeouts (for some reason, sympatico comes to mind) and it got to be too

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 1/19/2011 8:06 AM, Lee Dilkie wrote: On 1/19/2011 10:02 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:56:47 -0500 Lee Dilkie wrote: The second was that I've found that the other spam-catching filtering is doing a much better job than it was years ago and turning off greylisting didn't

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Matt
The legitimate mail that passes through my mail server comes from hosts / networks I might not hear from again for months, by which time I have to potentially wait 24 hours for the greylisting / mail server to try again. >> >> I run greylisting on an email server with several th

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 1/19/2011 9:25 AM, Matt wrote: The legitimate mail that passes through my mail server comes from hosts / networks I might not hear from again for months, by which time I have to potentially wait 24 hours for the greylisting / mail server to try again. I run greylisting on an email server wit

Re: Suspicious URL:Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Henrik K
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:14:29AM -0600, Daniel McDonald wrote: > On 1/19/11 10:17 AM, "John Hardin" wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Lee Dilkie wrote: > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I liked GL but there are a number of big ISPs that > >> have quite long retry timeouts (for some reason, sympatic

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Matt
>> The legitimate mail that passes through my mail server comes from >> hosts / networks I might not hear from again for months, by which >> time I have to potentially wait 24 hours for the greylisting / mail >> server to try again. I run greylisting on an email server with several thousand email

Re: Suspicious URL:Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Daniel McDonald
On 1/19/11 10:17 AM, "John Hardin" wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Lee Dilkie wrote: > >> Don't get me wrong, I liked GL but there are a number of big ISPs that >> have quite long retry timeouts (for some reason, sympatico comes to >> mind) and it got to be too annoying. > > ...and when you encou

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Lee Dilkie wrote: Don't get me wrong, I liked GL but there are a number of big ISPs that have quite long retry timeouts (for some reason, sympatico comes to mind) and it got to be too annoying. ...and when you encounter a big ISP that does this, do you notify their postm

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Lee Dilkie
On 1/19/2011 10:02 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:56:47 -0500 > Lee Dilkie wrote: > >> The second was that I've found that the other spam-catching filtering >> is doing a much better job than it was years ago and turning off >> greylisting didn't adversely affect the amount of

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:56:47 -0500 Lee Dilkie wrote: > The second was that I've found that the other spam-catching filtering > is doing a much better job than it was years ago and turning off > greylisting didn't adversely affect the amount of spam that got > through. That's possibly true, but l

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Lee Dilkie
I recently gave up on greylisting after using it for years as well. Two reasons really, one was the complaints from users (and I found that they often asked folks to "send mail to me twice" to try and get mail to "work better" and that was just embarrassing). The second was that I've found that t

Re: NOW: spamass-milter postfix Debian (WAS: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 18.01.2011 20:41, schrieb J4: > On 01/18/2011 07:54 PM, J4 wrote: >> >> On 01/18/2011 06:51 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >>> * J4 : This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of setting it.

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-19 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 1/19/11 2:10 AM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:37:07 +0100 "Rolf E. Sonneveld" wrote: I agree with you, looking at my own personal situation. However, many mail admins (and maybe you too) are responsible for the e-mail handling of many (tens/hundreds/thousands) of users. Most

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:37:07 +0100 "Rolf E. Sonneveld" wrote: > I agree with you, looking at my own personal situation. However, many > mail admins (and maybe you too) are responsible for the e-mail > handling of many (tens/hundreds/thousands) of users. Most users have > unrealistic expectations

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On 01/18/2011 12:31 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:18:20 + Gary Forrest wrote: Interesting 2 of our 3 scanning heads use a grey list system that uses /32 addresses as part of the process, these two servers have 100's of emails delayed for well over a day. Our 3rd scanning

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 1/18/11 11:02 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:18:33 +0100 "Rolf E. Sonneveld" wrote: RFC821/RFC2821/RFC5321 points out that a client has to wait a minimum of 30 minutes before a retry attempt should be made, That's fine. I don't care if an email from someone I've never he

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:18:20 + Gary Forrest wrote: > Interesting 2 of our 3 scanning heads use a grey list system that > uses /32 addresses as part of the process, these two servers have > 100's of emails delayed for well over a day. Our 3rd scanning head > uses a grey list system that is les

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread Gary Forrest
Hi All To answer David's post, extract from our scanning system for today. *Jan 18 01:53:19 sendmail[8404]: p0I1rIDg008404: from=, size=43048, class=0, nrcpts=1, msgid=, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=revd138.shopdebenhams.com [195.154.153.138] Jan 18 01:53:19 sendmail[8404]: p0I1rIDg008404:

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 22:18:33 +0100 "Rolf E. Sonneveld" wrote: > RFC821/RFC2821/RFC5321 points out that a client has to wait a minimum > of 30 minutes before a retry attempt should be made, That's fine. I don't care if an email from someone I've never heard from before is delayed 30 minutes or e

Re: Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread Rolf E. Sonneveld
On 1/18/11 4:58 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:55:42 +0100 Giles Coochey wrote: The legitimate mail that passes through my mail server comes from hosts / networks I might not hear from again for months, by which time I have to potentially wait 24 hours for the greylisting / m

Re: NOW: spamass-milter postfix Debian (WAS: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 09:18 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > * J4 : >> GTUBE test message from http://gtube.net/gtube.txt produced:- >> Jan 18 21:06:45 logout postfix/cleanup[30304]: 7F8DE8232B: >> milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from smtp-auth.no-ip.com[204.16.252.94]: >> 5.7.1 Blocked by SpamAssassin; from

Re: NOW: spamass-milter postfix Debian (WAS: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* J4 : > GTUBE test message from http://gtube.net/gtube.txt produced:- > Jan 18 21:06:45 logout postfix/cleanup[30304]: 7F8DE8232B: > milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE from smtp-auth.no-ip.com[204.16.252.94]: > 5.7.1 Blocked by SpamAssassin; from= > to= proto=ESMTP helo= > > What is interesting, is th

Re: NOW: spamass-milter postfix Debian (WAS: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 08:41 PM, J4 wrote: > On 01/18/2011 07:54 PM, J4 wrote: >> On 01/18/2011 06:51 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >>> * J4 : This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of setting it.

Re: NOW: spamass-milter postfix Debian (WAS: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* J4 : > > I'm on Debian Squeeze. > Right folks! I did all of this: > > # spamass-milter -m -u nobody -f -p /var/run/spamass.sock > # chown postfix.postfix /var/run/spamass.sock > # spamass-milter -m -u nobody -f -p /var/spool/postfix/var/run/spamass.sock > # chown postfix.postfix /var/spool/

SOLVED Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 08:33 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > * J4 : >> On 01/18/2011 06:51 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >>> * J4 : This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of setting it. ;) ).

NOW: spamass-milter postfix Debian (WAS: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 07:54 PM, J4 wrote: > > On 01/18/2011 06:51 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: >> * J4 : >>> This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I >>> decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of >>> setting it. ;) ). >>> >>> Parse the SPAM

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* J4 : > > On 01/18/2011 06:51 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > > * J4 : > >> This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I > >> decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of > >> setting it. ;) ). > >> > >> Parse the SPAM during the SMPT ses

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 06:51 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > * J4 : >> This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I >> decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of >> setting it. ;) ). >> >> Parse the SPAM during the SMPT session and use only RAM:

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* J4 : > This is pretty much what I would like to achieve, & the reason I > decided not to use Dovecot Sieve (apart from me being incapable of > setting it. ;) ). > > Parse the SPAM during the SMPT session and use only RAM: Perfect. > > I would still like to notify the connecting

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread jk4
Disabled. Done :-O "Martin Gregorie" wrote: >On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 16:43 +, Martin Hepworth wrote: >> I tend to find AWL is a pain in a user population of more than 10 and >> disable it by default now. >> >> >I found it was a pain with a user population of one and disable it >automatically

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 16:43 +, Martin Hepworth wrote: > I tend to find AWL is a pain in a user population of more than 10 and > disable it by default now. > > I found it was a pain with a user population of one and disable it automatically. Martin

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 05:39 PM, Patrick Ben Koetter wrote: > * J4 : I know this is off-topic but is there a way for a third party programme to silently drop spam from delivery? >>> There are several: MimeDefang, Spamassassin-Milter and amavisd-new come to >>> mind. >>> >>> MimeDefang and Spamass

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Hepworth
I tend to find AWL is a pain in a user population of more than 10 and disable it by default now. -- Martin Hepworth Oxford, UK On 18 January 2011 16:35, Bowie Bailey wrote: > On 1/18/2011 11:12 AM, J4 wrote: > > > > > > Right - I've moved the SA scanning to the front of postfix, and it >

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* J4 : > >> I know this is off-topic but is there a way for a third party programme > >> to silently drop spam from delivery? > > There are several: MimeDefang, Spamassassin-Milter and amavisd-new come to > > mind. > > > > MimeDefang and Spamassassin-Milter work as MILTERS (see: smtpd_milters or >

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 1/18/2011 11:12 AM, J4 wrote: > > > Right - I've moved the SA scanning to the front of postfix, and it > scans accordingly and adds headers. > > What is odd, is that :- > It seems that the AWL white-lists the email addresses that were > black-listed. Additionally, the shortcircuit shoul

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 04:20 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 09:00 -0500, Bowie Bailey wrote: >> On 1/18/2011 4:13 AM, J4 wrote: >>> I have Dovecot LDA so Sieve might well be a good idea, but I would >>> like to inform the sender that the Email was dropped as spam, and >>> avoid backscatt

Greylisting delay (was Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule)

2011-01-18 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:55:42 +0100 Giles Coochey wrote: > The legitimate mail that passes through my mail server comes from > hosts / networks I might not hear from again for months, by which > time I have to potentially wait 24 hours for the greylisting / mail > server to try again. My point is

Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Giles Coochey
On 18/01/2011 16:46, David F. Skoll wrote: On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:37:40 -0200 Rejaine Monteiro wrote: I also gave up using greylist due to the same problems. I find that very surprising. We've used greylisting for years and have never noticed such problems. (We greylist after the DATA phase

Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:37:40 -0200 Rejaine Monteiro wrote: > > I'm not prepared to wait 24 hours for mail servers to successfully > > send me mails - it's the equivalent of sealing my letterbox on > > Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays for me, and I want near-real time > > email communication. > I

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Rejaine Monteiro
Em 18-01-2011 13:26, Giles Coochey escreveu: > > I enabled Greylisting for a while. Unfortunately - I found that the > MTAs my MTA communicated with responded in unreliable ways. Some MTAs > would not try any of my MX records (all using the same Greylisting db) > for at least a day, while others w

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Giles Coochey
On 18/01/2011 16:20, Martin Gregorie wrote: On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 09:00 -0500, Bowie Bailey wrote: If you're thinking of detecting spam at SMTP time you should consider greylisting. When my ISP implemented it the spam I get dropped immediately from 80% of my mail to 8%, where its remained ever si

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 04:20 PM, Martin Gregorie wrote: > On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 09:00 -0500, Bowie Bailey wrote: >> On 1/18/2011 4:13 AM, J4 wrote: >>> I have Dovecot LDA so Sieve might well be a good idea, but I would >>> like to inform the sender that the Email was dropped as spam, and >>> avoid backscatt

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 09:00 -0500, Bowie Bailey wrote: > On 1/18/2011 4:13 AM, J4 wrote: > > > > I have Dovecot LDA so Sieve might well be a good idea, but I would > > like to inform the sender that the Email was dropped as spam, and > > avoid backscatter. I don't think I can do this with Sieve/D

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
On 01/18/2011 03:59 PM, m...@junc.org wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:13:22 +0100, J4 wrote: > >> I have Dovecot LDA so Sieve might well be a good idea, but I would >> like to inform the sender that the Email was dropped as spam, and >> avoid backscatter. I don't think I can do this with Sieve/Dov

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 1/18/2011 4:13 AM, J4 wrote: > > I have Dovecot LDA so Sieve might well be a good idea, but I would > like to inform the sender that the Email was dropped as spam, and > avoid backscatter. I don't think I can do this with Sieve/Dovecot LDA. You cannot do this from the delivery agent without

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread me
On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:13:22 +0100, J4 wrote: I have Dovecot LDA so Sieve might well be a good idea, but I would like to inform the sender that the Email was dropped as spam, and avoid backscatter. I don't think I can do this with Sieve/Dovecot LDA. dont use sieve reject since if you are usi

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-18 Thread J4
Sender >>>> address is blacklisted by the user? Did I misunderstand the >>>> short-circuit effect? >>>> >>>> Best wishes. >>>> >>>> >>> spamassassin doesn't do anything about delivery. it just marks the >>> hea

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread me
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:12:42 +0100, JKL wrote: I know this is off-topic but is there a way for a third party programme to silently drop spam from delivery? enable sieve on docecot-lda and see this http://sieve.info/

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* JKL : > > On 01/17/2011 09:29 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: > > On 1/17/11 3:27 PM, JKL wrote: > >> Hi there, > >> > >> Why would this be delivered into the user mailbox when the Sender > >> address is blacklisted by the user? D

Re: Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread Bowie Bailey
On 1/17/2011 4:12 PM, JKL wrote: > On 01/17/2011 09:29 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: >> On 1/17/11 3:27 PM, JKL wrote: >>> Hi there, >>> >>> Why would this be delivered into the user mailbox when the Sender >>> address is blacklisted by the use

Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 22:12:42 +0100 JKL wrote: > I know this is off-topic but is there a way for a third party > programme to silently drop spam from delivery? You could use a milter such as MIMEDefang (www.mimedefang.org). Although it's primarily used by Sendmail admins, it does work with Postf

Fwd: Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread JKL
On 01/17/2011 09:29 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: > On 1/17/11 3:27 PM, JKL wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> Why would this be delivered into the user mailbox when the Sender >> address is blacklisted by the user? Did I misunderstand the >> short-

Re: Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 1/17/11 3:27 PM, JKL wrote: Hi there, Why would this be delivered into the user mailbox when the Sender address is blacklisted by the user? Did I misunderstand the short-circuit effect? Best wishes. spamassassin doesn't do anything about delivery. it just marks the he

Q about short-circuit over ruling blacklisting rule

2011-01-17 Thread JKL
Hi there, Why would this be delivered into the user mailbox when the Sender address is blacklisted by the user? Did I misunderstand the short-circuit effect? Best wishes

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham' (Solved)

2010-09-27 Thread Chris
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 17:55 -0500, Chris wrote: > http://pastebin.com/ypiHcyvK > > The above phish for my ISP came in this morning, it triggered the short > circuit 'ham' rule. Is it because I have this in my local.cf and the > message has a dkim signature? >

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-26 Thread Chris
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 19:26 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > On søn 26 sep 2010 15:27:47 CEST, Chris wrote > > > On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 04:47 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > >> On lør 25 sep 2010 02:53:30 CEST, Chris wrote > >> > meta SC_NET_HAM (USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DK_WHITELIST|| > >> > U

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On søn 26 sep 2010 15:27:47 CEST, Chris wrote On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 04:47 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: On lør 25 sep 2010 02:53:30 CEST, Chris wrote > meta SC_NET_HAM (USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DK_WHITELIST|| > USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DEF_DK_WL||USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL|| > USER_IN_DEF_

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-26 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 04:47 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > On lør 25 sep 2010 02:53:30 CEST, Chris wrote > > meta SC_NET_HAM (USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DK_WHITELIST|| > > USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DEF_DK_WL||USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL|| > > USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL||USER_IN_WHITELIST) > > there is s

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-25 Thread RW
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:47:31 +0200 Benny Pedersen wrote: > On lør 25 sep 2010 02:53:30 CEST, Chris wrote > > meta SC_NET_HAM (USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DK_WHITELIST|| > > USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DEF_DK_WL||USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL|| > > USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL||USER_IN_WHITELIST) > > there is

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-25 Thread Benny Pedersen
On lør 25 sep 2010 06:00:13 CEST, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote user_in_whitelist includes whitelist_from with can be forged, my fav to be removed if i just can convence more devs :) Bug number? Sorry, getting late here, too lazy to search whether you actually filed it. ;) okay i will create a tic

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-25 Thread RW
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 05:42:19 +0200 Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > The problem is, that your ISP accepts plain text authentication over > plain text, un-encrypted channels. One of them must be encrypted, at > the very least if you gonna sign it. Otherwise it's too easy to > eavesdrop and get the cre

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 04:47 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > > meta SC_NET_HAM (USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DK_WHITELIST|| > > USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DEF_DK_WL||USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL|| > > USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL||USER_IN_WHITELIST) > > there is still user in def :=) > > user_in_whitelist incl

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 22:16 -0500, Chris wrote: > On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 03:31 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > Begs the question why the phish that started this thread has been DKIM > > signed by your ISP, too. Seriously. > > > > Hmm, from your original pastebin: > > > > Authentication-Res

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 04:55 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > On lør 25 sep 2010 03:46:09 CEST, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote > > Anyone wonder how to steal those user passwords? > > (BTW, you did not use TLS either. :/) > > dont blame chris on this one, he needs a isp that dont accept passwors > in no

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 03:31 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 19:40 -0500, Chris wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 01:07 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > > Ham!? PBL, SORBS DUL. Are you trying to use whitelisting to protect > > > outgoing messages? Shouldn't you be usin

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
On lør 25 sep 2010 03:46:09 CEST, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote Anyone wonder how to steal those user passwords? (BTW, you did not use TLS either. :/) dont blame chris on this one, he needs a isp that dont accept passwors in non tls tunnels, well spotted /me back on my problem with kernel that

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
On lør 25 sep 2010 02:53:30 CEST, Chris wrote meta SC_NET_HAM (USER_IN_DKIM_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DK_WHITELIST|| USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST||USER_IN_DEF_DK_WL||USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL|| USER_IN_DEF_SPF_WL||USER_IN_WHITELIST) there is still user in def :=) user_in_whitelist includes whitelist_from with can

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 03:31 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 19:40 -0500, Chris wrote: > > http://pastebin.com/LqVtvjgM > > OK, wait. That sample is really an example showing the DKIM headers, > sent by *you*. Right? It's authenticated. > Hmm, from your original pastebin

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 19:40 -0500, Chris wrote: > On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 01:07 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > Ham!? PBL, SORBS DUL. Are you trying to use whitelisting to protect > > outgoing messages? Shouldn't you be using authenticated SMTP instead? > > No Karsten, this is incoming mail t

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Chris
> you did see fp, change all above to def_whitelist_* > > and change shortcicuit to only match whitelist_* not def_whitelist > > or solve it with remove whitelist for this fp domain :) > > > Here's what rules hit in a short circuit ham: > > > > X-spam-status: No, s

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Chris
On Sat, 2010-09-25 at 01:07 +0200, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 17:31 -0500, Chris wrote: > > Here's what rules hit in a short circuit ham: > > > > X-spam-status: No, score=-124.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_PBL=3.335, > > RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
*...@embarqmail.com why is spf more trusted then dkim here ? you did see fp, change all above to def_whitelist_* and change shortcicuit to only match whitelist_* not def_whitelist or solve it with remove whitelist for this fp domain :) Here's what rules hit in a short circuit ham: X-spam-statu

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 17:31 -0500, Chris wrote: > Here's what rules hit in a short circuit ham: > > X-spam-status: No, score=-124.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_PBL=3.335, > RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001,SC_NET_HAM=-20,SHORTCIRCUIT=-100, > USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5 RCVD_IN_PBL,RCVD_IN_

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Chris
whitelist_from_SPF *...@embarqmail.com def_whitelist_from_dkim *...@embarqmail.com def_whitelist_from_spf *...@embarqmail.com Here's what rules hit in a short circuit ham: X-spam-status: No, score=-124.2 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_PBL=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.001,SC_NET_HAM=-20,SHORTCIRCUIT=-100, USER_IN_DE

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-24 Thread Benny Pedersen
On fre 24 sep 2010 04:33:33 CEST, Chris wrote Or is it needed since I have the def_whitelist_from_spf line? you trigger on def_ in shourtcicuit thats the error you made if any, do change the shortcicuit rule to only doit it if its whilelist not just def_whitelist def_ rules is for grey do

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-23 Thread Chris
On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 03:55 +0200, Benny Pedersen wrote: > On fre 24 sep 2010 00:55:17 CEST, Chris wrote > > > Do I have def_whitelist_from_dkim configured incorrectly? > > no dkim is fine, just dont skip more spam tests based on def_* > These are the only two def_ lines I have: def_whitelist_

Re: Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-23 Thread Benny Pedersen
On fre 24 sep 2010 00:55:17 CEST, Chris wrote Do I have def_whitelist_from_dkim configured incorrectly? no dkim is fine, just dont skip more spam tests based on def_* -- xpoint http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Phish triggered short circuit 'ham'

2010-09-23 Thread Chris
http://pastebin.com/ypiHcyvK The above phish for my ISP came in this morning, it triggered the short circuit 'ham' rule. Is it because I have this in my local.cf and the message has a dkim signature? def_whitelist_from_dkim *...@embarqmail.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=emba

Short-Circuit (was: Incresing numbers of DCC_CHECK in ham)

2009-10-09 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2009-10-09 at 10:32 -0700, R-Elists wrote: > > Probably because you are not short-circuiting on the whitelist. ;) > > > > Any whitelist rule is just that -- a plain, ordinary rule. With a score. > > There is no magic, and other matching rules always can overrule any > > other fraction of t

Re: whitelist_from_rcvd and short circuit

2009-08-13 Thread Matt Kettler
Chris wrote: > It appears as though I don't understand how this is supposed to work. I > have a file in /etc/mail/spamassassin called my-whitelist.cf. In it I > have entries such as: > > > > whitelist_from_rcvd harley-requ...@the-hed.net the-hed.net > > > however, a message from the 2nd add

whitelist_from_rcvd and short circuit

2009-08-13 Thread Chris
It appears as though I don't understand how this is supposed to work. I have a file in /etc/mail/spamassassin called my-whitelist.cf. In it I have entries such as: whitelist_from_rcvd serv...@freenet.de freenet.de whitelist_from_rcvd harley-requ...@the-hed.net the-hed.net In my local.cf I have:

Re: short circuit

2009-05-26 Thread Rudy Gevaert
Ok, I found it, the plugin was not loaded... -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Rudy Gevaert rudy.geva...@ugent.be tel:+32 9 264 4734 Directie ICT, afd. Infrastructuur Direction ICT, Infrastructure dept. Groep Systemen

short circuit

2009-05-26 Thread Rudy Gevaert
Dear list, I'm trying to get short circuit working: body LOCAL_SPAM_DEMONSTRATION_RULE /testrudy/ priority LOCAL_SPAM_DEMONSTRATION_RULE -1 score LOCAL_SPAM_DEMONSTRATION_RULE 5.5 describe LOCAL_SPAM_DEMONSTRATION_RULE This is a simple test rule shortci

Re: Short circuit priority doesnt seem to work

2008-06-27 Thread Matt Kettler
ram wrote: So would you suggest I remove all shortcircuit on DNS Rules. Is there anyway I can get USER_IN_SPF_WHITELIST evaluated before All other tests No.. It's a DNS based test, so it would be counterproductive to try to make one run before the others. For the cases where USER_IN_SPF_W

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