Re: training bayes and newsletters

2024-10-16 Thread Greg Troxel
I think you are missing that a particular newsletter is not intrinsically ham or spam. It is ham if the user has subscribed, and spam if they have not affirmatively subscribed. I have seen the very same content arrive at my mailserver for 2 users. For one it is ham and the other it is spam. Ther

Re: training bayes and newsletters

2024-10-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 2024-10-15 at 22:05:07 UTC-0400 (Tue, 15 Oct 2024 22:05:07 -0400) Alex is rumored to have said: I can imagine the newsletter template is somewhat common, but does bayes have any ability to distinguish a junk newsletter from a legitimate newsletter? Not if it has never seen either of them.

RE: training bayes and newsletters

2024-10-16 Thread Marc
> I can imagine the newsletter template is somewhat common, but does bayes > have any ability to distinguish a junk newsletter from a legitimate > newsletter? How can bayes, if you also can't? My advice would be to mark eg everything from mailchimp and than whitelist what you indeed agreed to re

Re: training bayes and newsletters

2024-10-15 Thread Axb
On 10/16/24 04:05, Alex wrote: Would I benefit from training known trustworthy newsletters such as ham? Yes, you would.

Re: Training spamassassin past 5,000 emails

2021-03-09 Thread Kris Deugau
RW wrote: On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:52:28 -0500 Steve Dondley wrote: I will also be allowing users to flag their own spam using the roundcube webmail client. If you do that you should review the submissions. This. SO much this. ALL THE THIS. If you're using the "Mark as Junk" or "Mark as Jun

Re: Training spamassassin past 5,000 emails

2021-03-09 Thread RW
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:52:28 -0500 Steve Dondley wrote: > On 2021-03-09 08:42 AM, RW wrote: > > > > If you keep a full archive of what's been trained. I think it makes > > sense to trim out old mail occasionally and recreate the database - > > particularly if it's a single user Bayes. > > I

Re: Training spamassassin past 5,000 emails

2021-03-09 Thread Bill Cole
On 9 Mar 2021, at 7:49, Steve Dondley wrote: I've read through https://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/sa-learn.html which states that "anything over about 5000 messages does not improve accuracy significantly in our tests." Did you read the section on expiration? https://spamassassi

Re: Training spamassassin past 5,000 emails

2021-03-09 Thread Steve Dondley
On 2021-03-09 08:28 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: Steve Dondley writes: I've read through https://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/sa-learn.html which states that "anything over about 5000 messages does not improve accuracy significantly in our tests." I would take that with a grain of salt.

Re: Training spamassassin past 5,000 emails

2021-03-09 Thread RW
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 07:49:38 -0500 Steve Dondley wrote: > I've read through > https://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/sa-learn.html which > states that "anything over about 5000 messages does not improve > accuracy significantly in our tests." > > So once I hit 5,000, what do? Do I run -

Re: Training spamassassin past 5,000 emails

2021-03-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Steve Dondley writes: > I've read through > https://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.1.x/doc/sa-learn.html which > states that "anything over about 5000 messages does not improve > accuracy significantly in our tests." I would take that with a grain of salt. Based on my experience running SA fo

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-16 Thread Alex Woick
David B Funk schrieb am 10.05.2018 um 20:23: On Thu, 10 May 2018, John Hardin wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 20:43, David Jones wrote: On 05/09/2018 01:29 PM, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: quoting URIBL_BLOCKED is a joke

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 10 May 2018, John Hardin wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 20:43, David Jones wrote: On 05/09/2018 01:29 PM, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: quoting URIBL_BLOCKED is a joke - setup a *recursion* *non-forwarding* namese

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 10 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 20:43, David Jones wrote: On 05/09/2018 01:29 PM, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: it looks like it is working.  so maybe it is just not flagging or mo

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread Reio Remma
On 10.05.18 15:23, David Jones wrote: On 05/10/2018 07:12 AM, Reio Remma wrote: On 10.05.18 15:08, David Jones wrote: On 05/10/2018 07:02 AM, Reio Remma wrote: On a slightly related note. We're running a PFSense firewall with DNS Forwarder (dnsmasq) in front of our mail server. From what I've

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread David Jones
On 05/10/2018 07:12 AM, Reio Remma wrote: On 10.05.18 15:08, David Jones wrote: On 05/10/2018 07:02 AM, Reio Remma wrote: On 10.05.18 14:58, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: i guess my dns is set to use my isp's dns server.  do i need to set up d

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: i guess my dns is set to use my isp's dns server. do i need to set up dns relay on my machine so it comes from my ip? there is no way we send more than 500k emails from our domain so i should qualify for the free lookup? On 09/05/18 20:43,

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread Reio Remma
On 10.05.18 15:08, David Jones wrote: On 05/10/2018 07:02 AM, Reio Remma wrote: On 10.05.18 14:58, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: i guess my dns is set to use my isp's dns server. do i need to set up dns relay on my machine so it comes from my

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread David Jones
On 05/10/2018 07:02 AM, Reio Remma wrote: On 10.05.18 14:58, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: i guess my dns is set to use my isp's dns server.  do i need to set up dns relay on my machine so it comes from my ip? there is no way we send more than

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread Reio Remma
On 10.05.18 14:58, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: i guess my dns is set to use my isp's dns server. do i need to set up dns relay on my machine so it comes from my ip? there is no way we send more than 500k emails from our domain so i should q

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: i guess my dns is set to use my isp's dns server.  do i need to set up dns relay on my machine so it comes from my ip? there is no way we send more than 500k emails from our domain so i should qualify for the free lookup? On 09/05/18 20:43,

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-10 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 09/05/18 20:43, David Jones wrote: On 05/09/2018 01:29 PM, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: it looks like it is working.  so maybe it is just not flagging or moving the spam? in a differnt post you showed t

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread David Jones
On 05/09/2018 01:29 PM, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: it looks like it is working.  so maybe it is just not flagging or moving the spam? in a differnt post you showed this status header which *clearly* shows

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: it looks like it is working.  so maybe it is just not flagging or moving the spam? in a differnt post you showed this status header which *clearly* shows bayes is working - bayes alone don't flag, the tot

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 09/05/18 16:37, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 09.05.2018 um 16:28 schrieb Matthew Broadhead: it looks like it is working.  so maybe it is just not flagging or moving the spam? in a differnt post you showed this status header which *clearly* shows bayes is working - bayes alone don't flag, the tot

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 9 May 2018, Reio Remma wrote: On 9 May 2018, at 18:33, John Hardin wrote: Also: On Wed, 9 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: your message has X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.15 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 Setting the threshold higher will result in more spam getting through. The

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Reio Remma
> On 9 May 2018, at 18:33, John Hardin wrote: > > Also: > >> On Wed, 9 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: >> >> your message has >> >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.15 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 > > Setting the threshold higher will result in more spam getting through. The > scores calc

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread John Hardin
Also: On Wed, 9 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: your message has X-Spam-Status: No, score=-18.15 tagged_above=-999 required=6.2 Setting the threshold higher will result in more spam getting through. The scores calculated by the masscheck processes are based on the assumption that the th

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 9 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: [root@ns1 ~]# sudo -H -u amavis bash -c '/usr/bin/sa-learn --dump magic' 0.000  0  3  0  non-token data: bayes db version 0.000  0  32225  0  non-token data: nspam 0.000  0 440420  0  non

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 09/05/18 16:03, Reio Remma wrote: On 09.05.18 16:59, Matthew Broadhead wrote: setting log_level and sa_debug in /etc/amavisd/amavisd.conf didn't seem to make any difference. should i be doing it in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf? See if $sa_debug=1 works (for full debug)? (and restart ama

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Reio Remma
On 09.05.18 16:59, Matthew Broadhead wrote: setting log_level and sa_debug in /etc/amavisd/amavisd.conf didn't seem to make any difference. should i be doing it in /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf? See if $sa_debug=1 works (for full debug)? (and restart amavisd). Reio ok now i am getting a lot

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 09/05/18 15:48, Reio Remma wrote: On 09.05.18 16:33, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 08/05/18 21:53, Reio Remma wrote: On 08.05.2018 22:08, John Hardin wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: system setup centos-release-7-4.1708.el7.centos.x86_64, spamassassin-3.4.0-2.el7.x86_64,

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Reio Remma
On 09.05.18 16:33, Matthew Broadhead wrote: On 08/05/18 21:53, Reio Remma wrote: On 08.05.2018 22:08, John Hardin wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: system setup centos-release-7-4.1708.el7.centos.x86_64, spamassassin-3.4.0-2.el7.x86_64, amavisd-new-2.11.0-3.el7.noarch /etc

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 08/05/18 21:53, Reio Remma wrote: On 08.05.2018 22:08, John Hardin wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: system setup centos-release-7-4.1708.el7.centos.x86_64, spamassassin-3.4.0-2.el7.x86_64, amavisd-new-2.11.0-3.el7.noarch /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: required_hits 5

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Matthew Broadhead
On 09/05/18 09:09, Reio Remma wrote: On 09.05.18 9:57, Matthew Broadhead wrote: BAYES_00=-1.9 I've personally set *bayes_sql_override_username = amavis* in my local.cf If at all possible, run amavisd with SA bayes debug to see if/how it's using the database. Good luck, Reio Thanks Reio

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-09 Thread Reio Remma
On 09.05.18 9:57, Matthew Broadhead wrote: BAYES_00=-1.9 I've personally set *bayes_sql_override_username = amavis* in my local.cf If at all possible, run amavisd with SA bayes debug to see if/how it's using the database. Good luck, Reio

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-08 Thread Matthew Broadhead
(1) [root@ns1 ~]# sudo -H -u amavis bash -c '/usr/bin/sa-learn --dump magic' 0.000  0  3  0  non-token data: bayes db version 0.000  0  32225  0  non-token data: nspam 0.000  0 440420  0  non-token data: nham 0.000  0 159

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-08 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 8 May 2018, Reio Remma wrote: On 08.05.2018 22:08, John Hardin wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: system setup centos-release-7-4.1708.el7.centos.x86_64, spamassassin-3.4.0-2.el7.x86_64, amavisd-new-2.11.0-3.el7.noarch /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: required_hits

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-08 Thread Reio Remma
On 08.05.2018 22:08, John Hardin wrote: On Tue, 8 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: system setup centos-release-7-4.1708.el7.centos.x86_64, spamassassin-3.4.0-2.el7.x86_64, amavisd-new-2.11.0-3.el7.noarch /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: required_hits 5 report_safe 0 rewrite_header Subject [

Re: training bayes database

2018-05-08 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 8 May 2018, Matthew Broadhead wrote: system setup centos-release-7-4.1708.el7.centos.x86_64, spamassassin-3.4.0-2.el7.x86_64, amavisd-new-2.11.0-3.el7.noarch /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: required_hits 5 report_safe 0 rewrite_header Subject [SPAM] use_bayes  1 bayes_auto_le

Re: training the filter

2016-11-08 Thread RW
On Mon, 7 Nov 2016 09:11:15 -0800 Daniel Ullfig wrote: > Hello: > > I’ve installed spamassassin to work with hMailServer on a windows > server. would like advice on training the filter, as I get a lot of > false positives. Would like to be able to forward ham to something > like “h...@mydomain.co

Re: training the filter

2016-11-07 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 7 Nov 2016, Sean Greenslade wrote: On November 7, 2016 9:26:29 AM PST, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: What a lot of people (including myself) do is have two IMAP folders learn/spam and learn/ham. When a message is incorrectly classified you put it in the right folder, then run sa-learn on a c

Re: training the filter

2016-11-07 Thread Sean Greenslade
On November 7, 2016 9:26:29 AM PST, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >What a lot of people (including myself) do is have two IMAP folders >learn/spam and learn/ham. When a message is incorrectly classified you >put it in the right folder, then run sa-learn on a cron job, looking in >the appropriate folder,

Re: training the filter

2016-11-07 Thread Eric Abrahamsen
"Daniel Ullfig" writes: > Hello: > > I’ve installed spamassassin to work with hMailServer on a windows > server. would like advice on training the filter, as I get a lot of > false positives. Would like to be able to forward ham to something > like “h...@mydomain.com”, and false negatives to “s

Re: Training Bayes with BAYES_999 Mail

2015-10-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.10.2015 um 19:15 schrieb Andrew Davidson: I'm not an expert on the mechanics of Bayes so I'm wondering how valuable it is to continue training with collected spam that is properly tagged with BAYES_999. Does that help to reinforce the logic or is it overly focusing the database on emai

Re: Training Bayes with BAYES_999 Mail

2015-10-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 02.10.15 13:15, Andrew Davidson wrote: I'm not an expert on the mechanics of Bayes so I'm wondering how valuable it is to continue training with collected spam that is properly tagged with BAYES_999. Does that help to reinforce the logic or is it overly focusing the database on emails it can

Re: Re-training

2015-04-16 Thread RW
On Thu, 16 Apr 2015 12:18:21 -0400 Roman Gelfand wrote: > Does sa-learn need read write access to emails or read only will do? Just read access. > In case of false negative, should I use --forget option to retrain? There's no need for that, it will work out what to do for itself.

Re: Re-training

2015-04-16 Thread Roman Gelfand
Does sa-learn need read write access to emails or read only will do? In case of false negative, should I use --forget option to retrain? On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Axb wrote: > On 04/14/2015 04:44 PM, Roman Gelfand wrote: > >> I received an email which is based on score ham. I would lik

Re: Re-training

2015-04-14 Thread Axb
On 04/14/2015 04:44 PM, Roman Gelfand wrote: I received an email which is based on score ham. I would like to train the bayes db to consider this email as spam. Is it possible to retrain bayes db for just that email without having that email available by providing something like mail id. you

Re-training

2015-04-14 Thread Roman Gelfand
I received an email which is based on score ham. I would like to train the bayes db to consider this email as spam. Is it possible to retrain bayes db for just that email without having that email available by providing something like mail id. Thanks in advance

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-18 Thread @lbutlr
On 18 Feb 2015, at 03:50 , Reindl Harald wrote: > i would find it pervert using /var/spool for the userhome and bayes-database I did not set the home for the spamd user, it was done in the install process. And yes, I found the user or /var/spool/spamd odd as well. --

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.02.2015 um 11:41 schrieb @lbutlr: On 18 Feb 2015, at 02:06 , Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.02.2015 um 05:50 schrieb @lbutlr: On 17 Feb 2015, at 15:46 , Reindl Harald wrote: because in a default milter-setup the one and only user is the user which SA and the miler service are running as

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-18 Thread @lbutlr
> On 18 Feb 2015, at 02:06 , Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 18.02.2015 um 05:50 schrieb @lbutlr: >> On 17 Feb 2015, at 15:46 , Reindl Harald wrote: >>> because in a default milter-setup the one and only user is the user which >>> SA and the miler service are running as, hence my script which n

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-18 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 18.02.2015 um 05:50 schrieb @lbutlr: On 17 Feb 2015, at 15:46 , Reindl Harald wrote: because in a default milter-setup the one and only user is the user which SA and the miler service are running as, hence my script which needs maybe small adjustments for your environment (--no-sync and s

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread @lbutlr
On 17 Feb 2015, at 15:46 , Reindl Harald wrote: > because in a default milter-setup the one and only user is the user which SA > and the miler service are running as, hence my script which needs maybe small > adjustments for your environment (--no-sync and so on depend on the config, > director

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2015 um 23:37 schrieb LuKreme: On 17 Feb 2015, at 08:27 , Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 17.02.2015 um 16:13 schrieb LuKreme: OK, so I have spamass-milter running, but I need to train it. What is the proper way to do this? you dont train spamass-milter, you should train spamassassin

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2015 um 23:37 schrieb LuKreme: On 17 Feb 2015, at 08:27 , Robert Schetterer wrote: Am 17.02.2015 um 16:13 schrieb LuKreme: OK, so I have spamass-milter running, but I need to train it. What is the proper way to do this? you dont train spamass-milter, you should train spamassassin

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread LuKreme
On 17 Feb 2015, at 08:27 , Robert Schetterer wrote: > Am 17.02.2015 um 16:13 schrieb LuKreme: >> OK, so I have spamass-milter running, but I need to train it. What is the >> proper way to do this? > > you dont train spamass-milter, you should train spamassassin spamassassin has existing user-sp

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 17.02.15 08:13, LuKreme wrote: OK, so I have spamass-milter running, but I need to train it. What is the proper way to do this? if you use "-u" parameter (maybe with "-x"), you should train it as the user who receives the mail -- Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fanto

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread Robert Schetterer
Am 17.02.2015 um 16:13 schrieb LuKreme: > OK, so I have spamass-milter running, but I need to train it. What is the > proper way to do this? > you dont train spamass-milter, you should train spamassassin http://spamassassin.apache.org/full/3.0.x/dist/doc/sa-learn.html Best Regards MfG Robert S

Re: Training new spamass-milter setup

2015-02-17 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 17.02.2015 um 16:13 schrieb LuKreme: OK, so I have spamass-milter running, but I need to train it. What is the proper way to do this? cat /var/lib/spamass-milter/training/learn.sh #!/usr/bin/bash # Home-Directory und Name des Milter-Users SA_MILTER_HOME="/var/lib/spamass-milter" SA_MILTE

Re: Training Bayes On A Gateway

2014-10-09 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
I collect spam this way, periodically I scan the mail logs looking for "unknown user" entries and sort the results - usernames/email addresses that are repeatedly being "guessed" get an alias entry added that forwards the spam to a spam mailbox. I have about 20 of these now that are aliased

Re: Training Bayes On A Gateway

2014-10-09 Thread Jason W.
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:14 PM, John Hardin wrote: > On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, John Traweek CCNA, Sec+ wrote: > > I've built a gateway server using sa-exim to filter email for our >> > > This topic comes up fairly regularly. Did you search the list archives on > terms like "exchange bayes" ? > Since

Re: Training Bayes On A Gateway

2014-10-09 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, John Traweek CCNA, Sec+ wrote: I've built a gateway server using sa-exim to filter email for our corporate Microsoft Exchange environment. It's working pretty good, but I have Bayes turned off due to the fact that I am unsure on how to train it in this type of environment.

Re: Training Bayes On A Gateway

2014-10-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.10.2014 um 21:43 schrieb John Traweek CCNA, Sec+: I’ve built a gateway server using sa-exim to filter email for our corporate Microsoft Exchange environment. It’s working pretty good, but I have Bayes turned off due to the fact that I am unsure on how to train it in this type of environme

Re: Training Bayes on outbound mail

2011-01-28 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2011-01-28 at 18:10 +, Dominic Benson wrote: > Recently, in order to balance the ham/spam ratio given to sa-learn, I > have started to pass mail submitted by authenticated users to sa-learn > --ham. > The thinking here is that users would generally want to receive mail > that they se

Re: Training Bayes on outbound mail

2011-01-28 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:10:08 +, Dominic Benson wrote: > The approach, if anyone is interested, is to use an "unseen" Exim router > to pipe mail to sa-learn --ham using the pipe transport, on the > condition that an acl_m variable, set for authenticated users in > acl_check_rcpt, evaluates

Re: Training Bayes on outbound mail

2011-01-28 Thread David B Funk
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011, David F. Skoll wrote: > On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:10:08 + > Dominic Benson wrote: > > > Recently, in order to balance the ham/spam ratio given to sa-learn, I > > have started to pass mail submitted by authenticated users to > > sa-learn --ham. > > > I haven't seen any mentio

Re: Training Bayes on outbound mail

2011-01-28 Thread Dominic Benson
On 28 Jan 2011, at 18:39, Lawrence @ Rogers wrote: > On 28/01/2011 2:53 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: >> On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:10:08 + >> Dominic Benson wrote: >> >>> Recently, in order to balance the ham/spam ratio given to sa-learn, I >>> have started to pass mail submitted by authenticated

Re: Training Bayes on outbound mail

2011-01-28 Thread Lawrence @ Rogers
On 28/01/2011 2:53 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:10:08 + Dominic Benson wrote: Recently, in order to balance the ham/spam ratio given to sa-learn, I have started to pass mail submitted by authenticated users to sa-learn --ham. I haven't seen any mention of this strategy

Re: Training Bayes on outbound mail

2011-01-28 Thread David F. Skoll
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 18:10:08 + Dominic Benson wrote: > Recently, in order to balance the ham/spam ratio given to sa-learn, I > have started to pass mail submitted by authenticated users to > sa-learn --ham. > I haven't seen any mention of this strategy on-list or on the web, so > I'm inter

Re: Training spam as ham and forwarding

2009-08-27 Thread RW
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:44:50 -0400 MySQL Student wrote: > Hi SA users, > > I have a few messages found in the quarantine that I need to train as > ham because they were marked as spam incorrectly. To do this, I added > the following to the top of the file so it becomes a normal email: > > From

Re: training for spamassassin

2009-01-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> Ralf Heidenreich wrote: > > sa-learn coaches spamassassin. On 23.01.09 10:45, Bowie Bailey wrote: > Actually, sa-learn coaches the Bayes db if you want to be specific. I prefer word "train" instead of "coach" :-) > > Is it better, to coach spamassassin with mails, that are not examined > > thr

RE: training for spamassassin

2009-01-23 Thread Bowie Bailey
Ralf Heidenreich wrote: > Hello, > > sa-learn coaches spamassassin. Actually, sa-learn coaches the Bayes db if you want to be specific. > Is it better, to coach spamassassin with mails, that are not examined > through spamassassin. Also original spam-mails. > If spamassassin examines mails, and

Re: Training bayes

2008-12-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 27.12.08 22:49, JC Putter wrote: > Id like to know of you can train bayes with *.msg format or Must it be eml > format? I know that outlook express uses eml but office outlook uses msg > format? the message must be raw, plaintext message body as is transferred over the network. msg is afaik a b

Re: training messages that do not have Message-Id:

2008-05-30 Thread Justin Mason
Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes: > Hello, > > afaik Message-Id is uses by Bayes filter to index all tokens from one > message, to be able to le-learn or forget the messsage. > > How does bayes process messages that do not have Message-Id header? Is it > worth use them to train bayes or can it caus

Re: Training Q

2008-01-17 Thread Loren Wilton
Some people advise not to relearn "old spam" what would you suggest, learn only last 6 month e.g.? I'd suggest only the last 3 months or less of spam if you have enough. Old ham should be fine though. Loren

Re: Training Q

2008-01-17 Thread Matthias Haegele
Matthias Haegele schrieb: Some people advise not to relearn "old spam" what would you suggest, learn only last 6 month e.g.? I meant if you must relearn "from scratch" how far you would go back? -- Gruesse/Greetings MH Dont send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Training Q

2008-01-17 Thread Matthias Haegele
John D. Hardin schrieb: On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, all 3 categories include emails that SA has already seen and presumably included in its Bayesian filters, Only if you have autolearn enabled. Can we assume that you do from this question? You didn't explicitly say. a

Re: Training Q

2008-01-16 Thread John D. Hardin
On Wed, 16 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > So, all 3 categories include emails that SA has already seen and > presumably included in its Bayesian filters, Only if you have autolearn enabled. Can we assume that you do from this question? You didn't explicitly say. > and emails that it has ne

RE: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-09 Thread Bowie Bailey
What are the errors? Bowie Netdynamix wrote: > Hi John, > > Thank you for the CF. > The problem is that once I have dropped it into /etc/mail/spamassassin > and when I run spamassassin --lint > > It drops quite a few errors. > > And the eCard Spam keeps coming through :( > > Am I doing someth

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-09 Thread Gary V
Hi John, Thank you for the CF. The problem is that once I have dropped it into /etc/mail/spamassassin and when I run spamassassin --lint It drops quite a few errors. And the eCard Spam keeps coming through :( Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance, Chris Maybe you got garbage in you

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-09 Thread Netdynamix
Hi John, Thank you for the CF. The problem is that once I have dropped it into /etc/mail/spamassassin and when I run spamassassin --lint It drops quite a few errors. And the eCard Spam keeps coming through :( Am I doing something wrong? Thanks in advance, Chris John D. Hardin wrote: > > On

RE: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-09 Thread Bowie Bailey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Bowie Bailey wrote: > > Rick Zeman wrote: > > > ... but doesn't indicate that > > > anything else needs to be done. Is it really that easy? > > > > I would do it this way: > > > > - Drop the rule file in /etc/mail/spamassassin > > - Run "spamassassin --lint" to check f

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread Bob Proulx
Bowie Bailey wrote: > Rick Zeman wrote: > > ... but doesn't indicate that > > anything else needs to be done. Is it really that easy? > > I would do it this way: > > - Drop the rule file in /etc/mail/spamassassin > - Run "spamassassin --lint" to check for errors (no output is normal) > - Fix any

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread John D. Hardin
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Bob Proulx wrote: > John D. Hardin wrote: > > As far as the greeting card spams are concerned, here's a specific > > rule that appears to work well: > > > > http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/antispam/postcards.cf > > Hmm... Only POSTCARD_01 was given a score. Was that inten

RE: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread Bowie Bailey
Rick Zeman wrote: > Hiya, > > Silly newbie question, but how does one go about adding a rule like > this to a 3.2.1 installation (in a Maia/amavis solution)? > http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WhereDoLocalSettingsGo says to > drop the .cf file in /etc/mail/spamassassin but doesn't indicate that

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread Bob Proulx
John D. Hardin wrote: > As far as the greeting card spams are concerned, here's a specific > rule that appears to work well: > > http://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/antispam/postcards.cf Hmm... Only POSTCARD_01 was given a score. Was that intentional? Bob

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread Rick Zeman
Hiya, Silly newbie question, but how does one go about adding a rule like this to a 3.2.1 installation (in a Maia/amavis solution)? http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/WhereDoLocalSettingsGo says to drop the .cf file in /etc/mail/spamassassin but doesn't indicate that anything else needs to be d

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Netdynamix wrote: > I am getting a HUGE amount of Spam which basically states that a > Friend, Collegue, Worshipper, Fan, etc has sent me an eCard... > > This is happening to a number of my clients as well... As far as the greeting card spams are concerned, here's a specific

Re: Training SPAM Assassin and keeping it upto date automatically

2007-08-08 Thread Wilb
You need to look at sa-update and sa-learn. Make sure you're using a recent version of SpamAssassin. On 08/08/07, Netdynamix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi There, > > I am getting a HUGE amount of Spam which basically states that a Friend, > Collegue, Worshipper, Fan, etc has sent me an eCard..

Re: Training the Bayesian learner

2007-07-05 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 09:13:06AM -0700, Unga wrote: > I have noted sa-learn updates the files in > /root/.spamassassin/ irrespective of the username for > its -u option. sa-learn -u is only useful for SQL. For non-SQL, you'd want to run sa-learn as the appropriate user. > I prefer to run spamd

RE: training SA

2007-06-27 Thread Bowie Bailey
zigniew szalbot wrote: > Hi, > > > I tried to learn SA and used the following syntax: > > > > sa-learn --spam -f /usr/home/zbyszek/june.txt > > I guess I made a mistake with the syntax but how should I change it > > so that I can train SA? > > I already found out: > sa-learn --spam --no-sync /us

Re: training SA

2007-06-26 Thread Nigel Frankcom
On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:35:01 +0200 (CEST), "zigniew szalbot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hello, > >I tried to learn SA and used the following syntax: > >sa-learn --spam -f /usr/home/zbyszek/june.txt >archive-iterator: unable to open Dear Valued Customer,: No such file >or directory > >june.tx

Re: training SA

2007-06-26 Thread zigniew szalbot
Hi, > I tried to learn SA and used the following syntax: > > sa-learn --spam -f /usr/home/zbyszek/june.txt > I guess I made a mistake with the syntax but how should I change it so > that I can train SA? I already found out: sa-learn --spam --no-sync /usr/home/zbyszek/june.txt Sorry to have bothe

Re: Training SA-Migrating from old IMAP to new IMAP server

2007-03-12 Thread Don Ireland
So it sounds like I may be better off NOT training on existing messages. Only on new that come in. Don Ireland -Original Message- From: Magnus Holmgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, Mar 12, 2007 5:23 am Subject: Re: Training SA-Migrating from old IMAP to new IMAP server To:

Re: Training SA-Migrating from old IMAP to new IMAP server

2007-03-12 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Sunday 11 March 2007 18:09, Don Ireland wrote: > I'm my email over from the services of fusemail.com to the IMAP server that > comes with my shared hosting account. > > When I copy my messages over from the old server, do I just run SA-learn > against the messages as they are? Or will the fact

Re: Training Bayes ham messages when they are sent out of the server

2007-02-06 Thread maillist
Philip Seccombe wrote: Does anyone have any ideas how I can get the emails back on the server, or keep a copy on the server to create a bayes database on? I thought of forwarding emails back, but then its a forwarded email and not the actual one which will mess up the database. I've no

Re: Training Bayesian Filter

2007-01-15 Thread Mark Martinec
[EMAIL PROTECTED], > I'm using amavisd with SA. There is a directive there called > "sa_mail_body_size_limit = undef; # don't waste time on SA if mail is > larger". This was set to 1024*200 which would be 204800k. I've > actually just now set it to undef. Hopefully this is what you meant? I > don't

Re: Training Bayesian Filter

2007-01-10 Thread dino
I'm using amavisd with SA. There is a directive there called "sa_mail_body_size_limit = undef; # don't waste time on SA if mail is larger". This was set to 1024*200 which would be 204800k. I've actually just now set it to undef. Hopefully this is what you meant? I don't have high hopes. But, we'l

Re: Training Bayesian Filter

2007-01-08 Thread Mark Martinec
> What I meant is that Amavisd may look in a non-standard place for > SpamAssassin's local.cf and other config files. I looked at my Amavis > config file and did not see a place to change it, but I seem to remember > somebody saying that it is possible. The only thing that needs to be remembered

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